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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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No they didn't. Or if they did they banned it again after their new figleaf rules were enacted. You can't make this up, what a mess.

Well so long as it's no longer the government asking him to censor things that aren't illegal and ban people they don't like, it's a private company so I don't see what the problem is.

It's only a problem if you want Twitter to survive as a platform where they at least try to uphold something akin to free speech. If you want it to become irrelevant then I guess it doesn't matter, and there is no problem. But if Elon says he wants it to be a place of free speech and he doesn't behave in a way that backs that up according to public opinion (which is highly subjective) then there will be some issues retaining users. Really it seems like an impossible task.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Elon posted just now saying the reason for this was someone was stalking his child last night thinking it was him and blocked the car.

Very believable. Of course spouting a load of nonsense about former Twitter employees to the point that they have to evacuate their home is perfectly ok by that same token.

They did not.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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He should make up his mind about this 'free speech' thing and then stick to whatever decision he comes up with for at least a couple of months. This is beyond silly.

He said in multiple tweets theres still rules particularly with direct harm to people. Idk why you would think doxxing and tracking someones location (which in this case they stalked his family) would be ok. I feel like this is just a talking point even though you and others know better but just dont like Musk. If thats the case just say it.

Rules for thee but not for me.

As for me liking Elon Musk: I used to. And then somewhere along the line it changed and now I in fact do not like him. But my liking or not liking him has nothing to do with simply holding him accountable, he made some pretty expensive statements and he fails to live by them, even for a very short period. And conveniently just when he's decided to ban that account a stalker of his family pops out of the woodwork. I'm sorry but Musk has lost the benefit of the doubt with me, too many lies over too many years.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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It's a private space. He can do what he likes. We draw conclusions about what we think, but thats going to good-or-bad justified-or-unjustified consistent-or-inconsistent as matters of opinion.

I note that he said he wanted a space with less constraint. He said it quite simply and directly. He's capable of both changing his mind, and in believing this is consistent, and in not caring either way.

I left twitter some time ago. Long before Musk's offer to buy kicked in. I think this is a fight amongst people I have little in common with.

This isn't really a "who cares" post because it is interesting. And arguably important. Mostly it's importance goes to the problem that Musk is now overtly in Politics, and has declared his non-neutrality in the US domestic political sphere. If he hadn't done that, I think there would be little more to remark on here than when Jack Dorsey did mildly irrational things. But a declaration to partisan views in politics changes that somewhat: he has control of a massive media machine in a politically charged context.

It is theoretically possible the FTC and the FCC both are looking at this wondering what (if anything) they can or should do. I suspect its reached a point where neither can, arguably even if they should: they lost the moment of force and the basis of "why" has also become politically charged.

The FTC would only really be driven to act if he imperils US citizens private information or interferes in trade between entities in the public eye, Or if this influences investment decisions to the share value of SpaceX and Tesla assuming there is a public share concern.

The FCC would only be driven by communications law and since Twitter isn't a common carrier or ISP as I understand them and isn't in mobile communications or RF spectrum management spaces, I don't see their role.

He may now have burdens with justice department and warrents to examine logs and data as an ongoing cost of doing business. Not because of what he says but because of the evidentiary status of what Twitter is for other people in the context of the US LEA and justice system.

The EU wants to talk but their legal paths to talk to him about what he is doing to European cultural norms, LEA and related, regulatory, location of data, GDPR whatever else, is pretty complex. And as long as he provides other outcomes like EV for the transition off Gas, and starlink to circumvent ISP monopolies they probably don't want to yank the chain too hard either.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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They banned it again about 8 minutes ago. I was scrolling through the linked thread when it got suspended and the tweets disappeared.

This might be why: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

I think even if his private jet went completely dark and no updates to its location were posted anywhere this wouldn’t have changed anything here. If this happened (who knows, maybe it did) knowing where the jet landed or took off doesn’t allow you identify the location of any of his children or ex wives/partners

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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I explained that here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33992824 . In principle we would turn off the user flags and software penalties, but the thread quality is so wretched that I see no upside. I'm shocked, and I don't shock easily after 10 years of this.

How is discussing something related to tech destructive?

Those two things are unrelated. Discussion that breaks the HN guidelines is destructive, whether or not it's tech related, because it pushes HN in the direction of going down in flames. Preventing that from happening is the #1 job we have.

Arguably the default fate of internet forums is to eventually burn out and become scorched earth, but the idea of HN from the beginning has been to stave that off for as long as we can.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

#159

Elon posted just now saying the reason for this was someone was stalking his child last night thinking it was him and blocked the car.

Oh cool so he'll immediately start acting on all of the other stalkers everywhere too, right? Obviously

The same dude who was the elonjet account has accounts for many other celebrities planes, Bezos, Drake etc. They were all taken down

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Are cars reporting real-time location to some online services? Good that cars dont do it unlike private jets! That would be terrible for privacy... /s

Yeah what kind of car maker would pioneer something like that?

You must be thinking of OnStar :-)
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