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Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by bee_rider »

rollcat wrote: post #77
jefftk wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Often people distinguish between "command-line interfaces" (CLI) and "text user interfaces" (TUI). So "sed" is a CLI program, while vim is a TUI program. But it's also common to use "CLI" to include "TUI" programs, so I don't think your parent is wrong.

> But it's also common to use "CLI" to include "TUI" programs [...]. It is indeed common, and (IMO) it is harmful, as TUI programs are just GUI programs in disguise. They do have two unique strengths: readily accessible over a serial console or an SSH session; and being the lowest common denominator of GUI programming. But they don't share any of the typical (desirable) qualities of CLI programs; typically, any CLI f…

The other way around,

    vim | ls
Is a 100% foolproof and very “loud” sign that today is a scatterbrained day and I should write off the idea of being productive. Or I should have another cup of coffee.

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by bee_rider »

I liked suckles surf (which at least uses webkit2 rather than being yet another chrome). But in the end, the web is too complicated for simple tools, something like Firefox with extensions and stuff to handle downloaded files is pretty helpful.

It seems quite unfortunate that such large programs are required to handle current web standards. Anything useful could be expressed as text in plain old html, but then, all the bloat needs to be there to pay the bills I guess.

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by timeon »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #41

I installed it (yes you can install this right away, the download button doesn't lead you to some signup form!) and played with it a bit. It's beautiful, but I feel that chrome has a better beauty/functionality tradeoff. Some differences vs chrome I noted: — no favicons — no addressbar — no skeuomorphic tabs All these things make it look more beautiful and elegant then chrome, but less functional.

> (yes you can install this right away, the download button doesn't lead you to some signup form!)

Are there browsers you can download only after login?

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by wereallterrrist »

sound1 wrote: post #149
wereallterrrist wrote: post #54

Just... give Firefox a shot people. Please: https://i.imgur.com/81OpEOy.png

the parent should be at the top of the page imho

It's +43 and seemingly pinned to the bottom of the page. But I know where I am :P.

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by daneel_w »

RussianCow wrote: post #157
daneel_w wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody really knows. Firefox is 350 MiB in size. The Windows XP SP3 install CD is 310 MiB in size.

The Arch Linux Firefox package weighs in at 237.8 MB installed.[0] Meanwhile, Chromium is 20% larger at 285.8 MB.[1] Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium. Also, that's not a useful comparison because web browsers are basically operating systems now, with how complex they are. Not to mention that Windows XP was release…

> "Which other browser is significantly smaller than that? I checked a few other ones and they were all within spitting distance of Chromium."

Safari was 40-something MiB installed a few macOS versions ago before parts of it were migrated out of the app to become protected system libraries. The reason the others you checked are of the same size is because they are forks of the same two browsers.

Add.: I just have to disagree with the notion that browsers are "basically" operating systems because of how complex they are. They really are not. Not by a longshot. Neither do they contain the fundamentals of an operating system, nor do they contain the upper reaches of them. We can pretend they are operating system facsimiles by doing a lot of impressive and fun stuff in JavaScript and WASM, but this isn't the same thing. The complexity of an operating system, even a simplified one, is of a completely different sort and depth. This comparison only fits the sarcastic intention people have when making the comparison - we can joke about it, because of how absurdly large and tangled browsers have become.

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by feep »

parhamn wrote: post #98
meltedcapacitor wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need for a benchmark, wrapped Chromium is not going to beat Chromium. The curious thing is this urge to lie: a focused UI for Chromium is a valid project, why wrap it in deception and dishonesty?

Sure it can. A chromium browser has an arbitrary number of chromium processes (e.g tabs). The root process quickly becomes irrelevant performance wise for average users. Even if you have the simplest tab unloading strategy (like Tab suspender) built in, you'd beat Chrome. But, unloading tabs isn't a safe thing to do in web-standard browsers but fine in niche consumer ones. Its not really word-smithing either, in all…

Can we have a link to your chromium build with unloading?

Or is it private?

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by csb6 »

password4321 wrote: post #159
callumprentice wrote: post #61

The Ladybird bowser - part of the Serenity OS - is another alternative I’m following with a mixture of astonishment, admiration and excitement - https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform... I suspect that for most people, it still has a way to go before it could be considered a daily driver, but the rate of progress is incredible and I’m sure it will get there.

What is the easiest way to use Ladybird?

You have to build from source. The repo is here [0]; there is a link to build instructions in the README. It is still experimental, but has an active community working on it.

Re: Min: A fast, minimal browser that protects your privacy

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Post by kiawe_fire »

Kalium wrote: post #148
kiawe_fire wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m as anti-Electron as the next person, but my arguments against it are due to the bloat and disrespectful resource usage of using an entire web browser to show local app UI. But if what you need is an actual, literal web browser, then I’m not sure I see why this is a bad choice.

As per their own documentation, Electron is not a web browser and should not be treated like one. I understand that some may experience differences of opinion, but I regard it as sufficient warning when the developers of something warn that it should not be used as a web browser: https://www.electronjs.org/docs/latest/tutorial/security

Thank you for the informative reply - I stand completely corrected.

I can definitely see now why this would be problematic.

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