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Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Throughout his administration, the President has left almost all intellectual property issues up to Vice President Joe Biden Classic. Leave IP issues to the plagiarist.

I'm sorry, are you trying to say that this administration is doing too little to protect intellectual property? If you're saying the IP issues are being left to someone who doesn't respect IP, that is the only conclusion I can draw.

I believe he's accusing them of hypocrisy.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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leading into what may be a difficult election year, and dependent on money from Hollywood and unions (the big Democratic funders), this is an easy call. There is no way that Obama hasn't taken the temperature on SOPA by now. Obama's most vocal liberal base will transform into an internet hate machine to rival the likes of the tea party if SOPA is signed. There is also the Ron Paul crew capturing more and more Democra…

> I don't underestimate the influence of these interests in Washington, but SOPA is really unpopular right now and getting more so by the day. I think it's really unpopular on HN and on websites with "tech" in the name, but is the general electorate even aware of the issue? I don't see much about SOPA in the MSM (admittedly the last several months have had a lot of news-worthy events).

The news still seems largely contained to the tech circles, though the GoDaddy story managed to get a lot of press.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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leading into what may be a difficult election year, and dependent on money from Hollywood and unions (the big Democratic funders), this is an easy call. There is no way that Obama hasn't taken the temperature on SOPA by now. Obama's most vocal liberal base will transform into an internet hate machine to rival the likes of the tea party if SOPA is signed. There is also the Ron Paul crew capturing more and more Democra…

> I don't underestimate the influence of these interests in Washington, but SOPA is really unpopular right now and getting more so by the day. I think it's really unpopular on HN and on websites with "tech" in the name, but is the general electorate even aware of the issue? I don't see much about SOPA in the MSM (admittedly the last several months have had a lot of news-worthy events).

but is the general electorate even aware of the issue?

I would argue that the tech media is pretty hip these days and not as far removed from the general electorate as you might think, but only time will tell.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Who will vote for him then? I am honestly curious. My impression was that young voters (users of the internet) were the key to Obama's success last time. Are the other republican candidates so weak that Obama can just scoop up a bunch of their voters?

Two scenarios seem likely: 1) The Republican party will nominate Mitt Romney, and the election will be a closely contested competition between two men who are disliked by the most active parts of their respective parties. 2) The Republicans will nominate one of the crazy brigade, who will have a small set of very loud proponents but will scare moderate Republicans enough not to vote, and scare Democrats and independe…

3) Republican party wakes up and realizes they have an amazing opportunity to beat Obama if they nominate Ron Paul - who opposes SOPA http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3250330 but the Republican establishment would rather have 4 more years of corporatism under Obama than that.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Yep second that. Last election he ran on transparency, change and hope. And as three years went by there was no transparency in billions of dollars (TARP) given to big corporations. Change? yeah sure, for worse. And he does not talk about hope any more, since millions of Americans does no have job and economy is not even getting better. In this campaign he is all about class warfare, soak the rich taxes. Do we even c…

Come on now, don't misuse facts. TARP was executed in 2008 and most of it was paid off by the end of 2009. Obama became president in jan 2009.

All of this is true, but the implication when we say something like "most of it was paid off" is that the money has actually been returned. In reality, most of it was paid off using new loans that are not under EESA. I could say "I paid off all the credit card debt I accumulated in the last 5 years" after I get two new credit cards and transfer my balances to them, but it would be a bit underhanded to say that.

:)

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two scenarios seem likely: 1) The Republican party will nominate Mitt Romney, and the election will be a closely contested competition between two men who are disliked by the most active parts of their respective parties. 2) The Republicans will nominate one of the crazy brigade, who will have a small set of very loud proponents but will scare moderate Republicans enough not to vote, and scare Democrats and independe…

3) Republican party wakes up and realizes they have an amazing opportunity to beat Obama if they nominate Ron Paul - who opposes SOPA http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3250330 but the Republican establishment would rather have 4 more years of corporatism under Obama than that.

I understand Paul has some support on HN, and I even understand why, but there is no way that he can win the election.

This isn't because of some conspiricy, but simply because what he believes isn't supported by enough people. Worse, many (most?) actively oppose at least some of his policies.

Not only will Democrats oppose him, but most Republicans don't believe he represents them (see recent comments from various Republicans about how they wouldn't vote for him)

(Personally, I think SOPA passing would be a minor price to pay compared to Paul becoming President (and I am totally opposed to SOPA - I just think its importance is much less than some of the things Paul would do))

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Give him a "Freedom Of Speech Defender" award. I'm sure it will be as effective as the premature peace prize.

I still believe wholeheartedly that he is a good man, with good intentions. But he lacked the conviction and courage to be a "leader". Instead he focused on reelections from the start. You're the president of the United stated of America ffs! You can get away with a lot more than you think, look at your predecessors.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two scenarios seem likely: 1) The Republican party will nominate Mitt Romney, and the election will be a closely contested competition between two men who are disliked by the most active parts of their respective parties. 2) The Republicans will nominate one of the crazy brigade, who will have a small set of very loud proponents but will scare moderate Republicans enough not to vote, and scare Democrats and independe…

3) Republican party wakes up and realizes they have an amazing opportunity to beat Obama if they nominate Ron Paul - who opposes SOPA http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3250330 but the Republican establishment would rather have 4 more years of corporatism under Obama than that.

Ron Paul has absolutely no chance of winning.

Among many other things, his support for Israel is poor to non existent, and someone who doesn't support Israel has no chance of winning. Support for Israel is around 63% in the general public, and in the high 80's among Republicans.

His positions on a host of other things appear completely crazy to most people, and they'll never vote for him.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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leading into what may be a difficult election year, and dependent on money from Hollywood and unions (the big Democratic funders), this is an easy call. There is no way that Obama hasn't taken the temperature on SOPA by now. Obama's most vocal liberal base will transform into an internet hate machine to rival the likes of the tea party if SOPA is signed. There is also the Ron Paul crew capturing more and more Democra…

I think the argument against SOPA has yet to break out of the tech echo chamber.

To be honest I think SOPA is inevitable, most people won't be able to grasp the level of injustice involved until it is enforced.

Re: Would Obama Veto SOPA? Extremely Doubtful

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Come on now, don't misuse facts. TARP was executed in 2008 and most of it was paid off by the end of 2009. Obama became president in jan 2009.

People don't care, he gets blamed for stuff that happened before he was in office all the time. I've seen Republican members of congress publicly blame him for TARP too. The downturn we're in right now is the "Obama economy" even though it started before he was elected.

blame everything on the previous guy, claim all success, rise, repeat

Its amazing how people fall for this tactic over and over again

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