ElonJet Is Now Suspended • Hacker News Board

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:09 PM UTC

thefreeman wrote: post #757

overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

> And when that account got doxxed -- which is dangerous and malicious -- the company did nothing. you know Elon was running the company when this happened, right? which makes it completely orthogonal to your point.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:09 PM UTC

xupybd wrote: post #724

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

My hope was for a more transparent Twitter. I guess that's out the window too.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by overgard » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:09 PM UTC

thefreeman wrote: post #757

overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

> And when that account got doxxed -- which is dangerous and malicious -- the company did nothing. you know Elon was running the company when this happened, right? which makes it completely orthogonal to your point.

That is factually untrue, the doxxing happened in april.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Taniwha » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

xupybd wrote: post #724

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

My hope was for a more transparent Twitter. I guess that's out the window too.

well this is rather the perfect test case - is Elon willing to allow the freedom of speech for someone who is doing something that is pretty trivial but to him personally annoying at a pretty low level?

The answer seems to be "No, Elon only wants the speech that he likes"

This does not bode well for twitter's future, or for that matter SpaceX/Tesla if Elon is going to be spending all his time as Twitter's chief censor

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

lawn wrote: post #776

CommieBobDole wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

Same strategy as Trump then.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by shadowgovt » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

heywherelogingo wrote: post #767

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

Or maybe he just thinks you can use your block button instead of censoring someone other people like.

Did that thinking not apply to ElonJet's case, or was there something about that case that made it special?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by conk » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:10 PM UTC

heywherelogingo wrote: post #767

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

Or maybe he just thinks you can use your block button instead of censoring someone other people like.

Why didn’t he use his block button on the Jet account then?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by hunterb123 » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:11 PM UTC

radicaldreamer wrote: post #750

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #741

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It seems to be human nature that people who like something or someone will defend them way past the point of rationality, becoming more insistent the worse things get, and wallow in motivated thinking. Meanwhile, those that dislike both Musk and Twitter are having a magical moment as each actively destroys the other, like two black holes circling each other, unable to escape.

A lot of this just boils down to people wanting to justify, defend, and tolerate anything he does because they want to believe that the nerdy entrepreneur will usher in their cyberpunk fantasies about going to Mars and interfacing directly with machines.

Or some people don't get worked up about a stalking jet account.

Yes being able to dissent the government about laptops or lab leaks or not rely o the russians to launch satellites or shuttle us to the space station is important as well.

Emotions and hyperboles when it fits here it seems. Reason comes second, if ever.

Everyone is still just pissy here because their liberal bubble is burst on Twitter.

I love Mastodon, now that it was accepted here the last month or so, why is everyone not on it yet?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:11 PM UTC

zachur wrote: post #744

hengistbury wrote: post #727

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The account was re-broadcasting publicly available information. Anyone who wanted to harm Musk would easily be able to find this information themselves without the twitter account.

True, but the account significantly lowers the bar to finding that information, making it much more likely someone who wishes to do harm could act on it.

Notably, he hasn't blocked other accounts which do the same thing so it's only as rational as it is self serving.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by PathOfEclipse » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 6:11 PM UTC

lxgr wrote: post #740

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #710

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> I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Where's the hypocrisy? Musk said he wanted to broaden the speech allowed on the platform, not allow speech of all kinds. > "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy." Maybe try getting your info from a non-leftwing source. There…

Elon himself, on https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 : > By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. Was the account violating any law?

Your very own tweet disproves what you're saying: "I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law."

Even back in April he was not saying he was only going to censor illegal speech. Anyways, since Elon acquired twitter he's made it a major talking point to say that twitter is still moderating by the same rules as before: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588538640401018880

"Twitter has had a massive drop in revenue, due to activist groups pressuring advertisers, even though nothing has changed with content moderation and we did everything we could to appease the activists."

The ElonJet account was violating rules for leaking internal company communications. Is that type of censorship going "far beyond the law?" I don't think so. Internal leaks can damage a company and the company should therefore protect itself. If anything, Twitter could be legally liable to shareholders for failing to do so.

On the other hand, blacklisting Dr. Jay Bhattacharya for saying things about Covid that turned out to be far more correct than what the CDC was saying at the same time is indeed going far beyond the law and also harming all of society: https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-confirm-stanford...