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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by TobyTheDog123 »

zachur wrote: post #714

I actually think this is reasonable. The account was broadcasting his live location at any given point in time and there's a strong argument it presented a legitimate safety risk given so many people's hatred towards him. It's also hard to say he's banning free speech against himself when it feels like half of twitter is anti-Elon sentiment these days.

I have a feeling your comment is going to get a lot of pushback, but I agree with you.

I'm reminded of the plotline from The Newsroom where Sloan Sabbith roasts the ACNgage developer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F86ojBeLbxQ

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by edwcross »

AlexandrB wrote: post #506
nashashmi wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He trashes people who trash talk his cars. Even if you happened to die while testing his auto pilot feature. Yeah. He will trash talk you while you are rolling in your grave thinking Elon was god. And then god comes to show you how amazing your god was. He trashed talk a journalist immediately after the journalist complained he had to journey thru cold with out heater because his batteries would not last until the ne…

I think all of this is part of his appeal. He's more "scruffy" and unfiltered than most people with his prominence and responsibilities. But it's easy to confuse this lack of a filter for honesty, when the two may be entirely orthogonal. Elon's communication style is also good for forming "parasocial" relationships with his audience which explains how loyal and fervent many of his fans are.

As an outsider, this description resembles that of Trump, except with less "tiny hands", and more "tech". Has Elon Musk considered doing politics?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by bko »

chrisoverzero wrote: post #605
bko wrote: post #597

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?

>If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? What, like Air Force One? https://twitter.com/USAirForceVIP

He has the best security detail in the world, but yeah, seems like an unnecessary security risk. I'm sure if a federal agency requested this bot be taken down as a security concern it would be a reasonable request. More reasonable that many other requests made under the veil of "security"

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by xupybd »

jszymborski wrote: post #666

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter. When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happ…

My hope was for a more transparent Twitter. I guess that's out the window too.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by woodruffw »

EarlKing wrote: post #583
woodruffw wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relitigating this is not going to be fruitful: Elon Musk is a public figure who chooses to fly by private jet. Callsigns and flight status are public information by necessity.

Being a public figure does not mean you have a right to stalk and harass him. It means you get to have a higher bar to charges of defamation for things said about them and nothing more.

Tracking an aircraft's callsign does not remotely approach the bar for "stalking and harassing."

Put another way: the courts have overwhelmingly recognized the rights of "paparazzi": if you're a public figure, there is going to be independent public interest in your life.

The interest can't be intrusive (meaning that it doesn't enable someone to break into your house and take pictures of your underwear drawer), but it does allow citizens to use any public information available to them. Since airplane information is public by necessity, there is no reasonable legal structure that enhances Musk's privacy without compromising well-trodden expression rights.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by three_seagrass »

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

What's even more fascinating is how hot-button an issue Free Speech has become.

Just look at some of the inflammatory replies to your comment that just mentions it. There's more going on with the semantics of the phrase being used to irrationally rile people up to outrage, rather than actually being about the definition of free speech.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by hengistbury »

zachur wrote: post #714

I actually think this is reasonable. The account was broadcasting his live location at any given point in time and there's a strong argument it presented a legitimate safety risk given so many people's hatred towards him. It's also hard to say he's banning free speech against himself when it feels like half of twitter is anti-Elon sentiment these days.

The account was re-broadcasting publicly available information. Anyone who wanted to harm Musk would easily be able to find this information themselves without the twitter account.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #710
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

> I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Where's the hypocrisy? Musk said he wanted to broaden the speech allowed on the platform, not allow speech of all kinds. > "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy." Maybe try getting your info from a non-leftwing source. There…

Musk has stated several times he wants "free speech" and when pushed further, mostly talks about "speech that is not at odds with the law".

So yes, that is pretty inconsistent with banning an account which did nothing illegal. Assuming it was Musk who issued it.

>from a non-leftwing source

Can you people stop going "left wing right wing" for one day and see things for what they are instead of this infantile black-white spiel?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by overgard »

trap_goes_hot wrote: post #671
overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

It's ironic to observe flawed humans being angry at other human(s) who are also flawed.

If you're suggesting I'm angry, I'm not, I'm just pointing out something that I think should be fairly obvious: twitter has a very specific political bent and their actions reflect that.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by kareemsabri »

40four wrote: post #572
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

I'm not sure you understand what free speech is.

Being able to claim someone's speech makes you "unsafe" is akin to "words are violence" that the pro free speech crowd objects to. Elon may face a greater risk of harm with the world having a way to guess his location (broadly) but that's not a case to silence speech.

It should also be noted he's a billionaire. Have you seen Zuckerberg's security spending?

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