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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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overgard wrote: post #595
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by spritefs »

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Yeah I agree that Elon is full of shit, but there's a little lie in here that needs to be addressed:

> normal company operation in good faith

But it wasn't "normal company operation" because they completely disregarded preexisting company policy for dealing with political figures. Here are political figures that they didn't ban (who were inciting violence)

> 20. In June 2018, Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei tweeted, “#Israel is a malignant cancerous tumor in the West Asian region that has to be removed and eradicated: it is possible and it will happen.”

> 21. In October 2020, the former Malaysian Prime Minister said it was “a right” for Muslims to “kill millions of French people.”

But they banned the former president. What they were doing wasn't "normal company operation", it was a bunch of power tripping people in upper management (like Roth) who "took it upon themselves" to disregard preexisting company policies for some odd reason

You can dislike Trump/Elon/et al, but the "normal company operation" bit is an outright distortion of what actually happened

source: https://nitter.net/bariweiss/status/1602370518585221120#m

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nerdawson »

40four wrote: post #572
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

I'm failing to see the safety threat here.

The account republishes publicly available information. I'd hardly consider that doxxing. Flight data isn't private.

Elon pointed to the existence of the account as demonstrating his attitude towards free speech and as far we all can tell, nothing has changed.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by cocacola1 »

drak0n1c wrote: post #589
detaro wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“it’s a private company” is an argument about legality. Doesn't mean you can't criticize or make fun of a company or its Chief Twit for what it does.

That argument was most commonly used in the past to dismiss criticisms of corporate social media policy, even when there was no mention of legality or government intervention.

Was it? I always saw "it's a private company" used when people were complaining about a particular social media policy contravening the first amendment and people pointing out that the first amendment doesn't apply to private companies.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by 4512124672456 »

40four wrote: post #539

It's amazing to me the mental gymnastics one must have to do to defend the @ElonJet account, simply because you might not like Elon on a personal level. Of course that account should be suspended. Yeah I know, public information/ free speech, blah blah. But it is quite frankly a personal attack on Musk, and I consider it a form of Doxxing. As high profile as Musk is, something like that account is a real threat to hi…

> As high profile as Musk is, something like that account is a real threat to his personal safety in my opinion.

People who want to actually harm Elon Musk don't need that Twitter account to do so. I don't see how it is a threat to his personal safety, when this data is easily available elsewhere.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by anshumankmr »

Someone posted a meme before Elon completed the purchase (or maybe shortly after) about how this account would be nuked from orbit. I thought something so transparently hypocritical would not happen but here we are.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by phillipcarter »

40four wrote: post #572
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

You're not flabbergasted and you don't believe it's doxxing. You just support your boy Elon.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by 40four »

bobleeswagger wrote: post #611
encoderer wrote: post #584

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re “flabbergasted”? This is publicly available information. What exactly is the safety threat with this twitter acct?

Publicly available information is... publicly available information. Singling out public information and publishing it to single out one person when there are safety and security implications is crossing the line distinctly into what we call doxxing. Just curious, how long have you been on the internet? Would you like an account like this to exist tracking everything you do?

Thank you, well put. It's like everyone's incredible amount of hate towards Elon is blinding them to the human aspect of this. Never seen such overwhelming support for a doxxing account. Let's not forget to be humans guys.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by acover »

40four wrote: post #572
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

What is the actual risk? I suspect he's way more likely to get into a car crash.

The information about his plane's location is already public. Posting it to twitter just makes it spread further. Also, a plane's location isn't very useful. Even doxxing someone's permanent address (not that elon has one) is a pretty minimal threat to their life.

A plane's location is some of the less dangerous speech allowed.

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