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ElonJet Is Now Suspended
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#602Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.
Taking public and legally published information from one website and putting it on another is not free speech? Excuse me? Every day I wake up and wonder what the free speech absolutist's new definition of free speech would be.
Most homeowners' personal home address is publicly published on county government websites. Everyone on both sides of aisle agrees that the unwanted reposting of such on social media is doxxing and a bannable offense.
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#603Where are all the principled “it’s a private company” people now lol.
He's allowed to do whatever he wants with his private company. I'm also allowed to say "liar liar pants on fire" when he does things that goes against what he said he would do.
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Remember all those comments on HN for how right Musk is to decent free speech and how this is definitely going to improve Twitter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Lets not pretend that just because some people happened to be right, that is an indicator of some information that they had. Most of the hate towards Twitter came from hate towards Musk.
After the "pedo guy" incident, Musk made it pretty clear he's thin skinned, petty and vindictive as well as pretty immature. Based on the public evidence it's hard not to predict these outcomes.
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#605I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…
I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?
>If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]?
What, like Air Force One? https://twitter.com/USAirForceVIP
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Uber used their own private, proprietary information. Flights are public by design. If he had a problem with that, he should not own a jet.
The data isn't publicly available from the government because the plane is on the LADD list https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts Thus the only public source is ADSBExchange because it uses croudsourced data. So the data isn't "public by design" but due to a lack of privacy laws that prohibit selling this sort location data.
The planes literally broadcast their location. It is in fact, public data.
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#607I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…
I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?
Is flightradar24.com a security concern?
Note that the account wasn't about the location of a specific person, but rather the (public) location of a specific aircraft (own/used by a specific person). It's not like someone was tailing Elon and reporting their every location - planes must broadcast their location through use of ADS-B. It is public information.
> If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]?
Yes.
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#608I'm kind of curious what people are most upset about here? 1. They just don't like Elon? 2. They are upset that despite Elon claiming to be a "free speech absolutist" that he is now suspending accounts posting public information? (hypocrisy) 3. They are free speech absolutists themselves and object to this censorship? 4. Something else? Personally, depending on how often Elon is using this plane - I could see this as…
Yup. In Elon's defence (not that he needs or deserves it) -- if I had a bunch of armed and angry folks who wanted to see me dead, I wouldn't want their job made easier thanks to some doofus publicising my location in real-time.
It makes no difference. The location of any civilian aircraft in the air is legally required to be published.
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#609I'm really embarrassed to have once been a Musk fanman (strictly as a space nerd). I know I shouldn't be, but I'm shocked at how much of a mendacious cretin he turned out to be.
He, SBF, and many more like them are just a bunch of Chauncy Gardeners. People convince themselves that they're geniuses until one day the realization dawns that they've been dunces all along.
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#610Aren’t we going to see copycats?
Are they all going to be blocked?
I feel like I’m missing something.