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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nickthegreek »

glonq wrote: post #483
_JoRo wrote: post #452

I'm kind of curious what people are most upset about here? 1. They just don't like Elon? 2. They are upset that despite Elon claiming to be a "free speech absolutist" that he is now suspending accounts posting public information? (hypocrisy) 3. They are free speech absolutists themselves and object to this censorship? 4. Something else? Personally, depending on how often Elon is using this plane - I could see this as…

Yup. In Elon's defence (not that he needs or deserves it) -- if I had a bunch of armed and angry folks who wanted to see me dead, I wouldn't want their job made easier thanks to some doofus publicising my location in real-time.

It is not his real time location. It is the location of 3 planes.

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Post by 40four »

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be allowed to exist. It feels like everyone is so upset with Elon, that we all want to play this game of "Gotcha" with every move he makes. Doesn't seem like anyone is considering that account is a real safety/ security issue for him.

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Post by ajmurmann »

Any discussion about free speech that doesn't address stochastic terrorism, the firehose of falsehood and the paradox of tolerance is meaningless.

This action likely shows that Musk intuitively understands the dangers of stochastic terrorism for himself (this is really one of the mildest version imaginable), but doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand the abstract concept and that it should impact speech on his and other platforms or at least needs to be addressed in a mature way.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

AlexandrB wrote: post #506
nashashmi wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He trashes people who trash talk his cars. Even if you happened to die while testing his auto pilot feature. Yeah. He will trash talk you while you are rolling in your grave thinking Elon was god. And then god comes to show you how amazing your god was. He trashed talk a journalist immediately after the journalist complained he had to journey thru cold with out heater because his batteries would not last until the ne…

I think all of this is part of his appeal. He's more "scruffy" and unfiltered than most people with his prominence and responsibilities. But it's easy to confuse this lack of a filter for honesty, when the two may be entirely orthogonal. Elon's communication style is also good for forming "parasocial" relationships with his audience which explains how loyal and fervent many of his fans are.

i view Elon's fanbase as being equivalent to the fanbase that twitch streamers like xqc have, probably not well adjusted people who need to idolize someone in which they can see some characteristics in common (social awkwardness, thinking they are smarter than others etc...)

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by EarlKing »

tryingtoawkgood wrote: post #332
EarlKing wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so we're clear: You'll be totally in favor of maintaining the accounts of anyone who routinely posts the location of others, including yourself, right? Because that's not stalking at all... right?

Tail numbers and flight paths is publicly available information. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info

So is your license plate number, and you have no reasonable expectation of the privacy of that information... but you wouldn't be happy if someone went around tracking everywhere you went now would you?

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Post by adra »

Someone1234 wrote: post #412
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

He can do what he likes, but he remains open for criticism for those actions (in particular when the hypocrisy is self-evident). Why do people feel the need to respond to valid criticism with "well technically they're ALLOWED to do [thing]?" That's neither here nor there.

We'll, technically his company is under a consent decree and that makes a lot of what twitter changes including internal processes under the FTCs mandate, so no Elon can't just do what he wants to and expect no legal repercussions.

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Post by vkou »

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Elon saying one thing, and doing another is a tale as old as time.

Don't listen to a word he says - assume it's false until independently verified.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nickthegreek »

shkkmo wrote: post #481
brovak wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all public flight information. Anyone who has a private jet can be tracked like Elon.

It's only publicly available via a company that uses crowdsourced data. The plane is on the LADD list which prohibits official FAA information on the planes movements from being made publicly available.

OP's point remains.

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Post by BashiBazouk »

ffggvv wrote: post #202

isn’t this basically like doxxing? aren’t the people criticizing this move the ones who would be in hysterics if someone did this to a journalist or politician they like? especially if it was a woman of color or whatever preferred group

@CelebJets tracks the private planes a bunch of celebrities including Oprah Winfrey. If a journalist or politician is rich enough to have their own private plane then that plane gets tracked.
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