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Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Are you asking for context and nuance? What are you, a free thinker? Why not just joint he "Elon man bad" chorus?

That's a Reddit level comment if I've ever see one

I'm reminded of a quote from a journalist

"Elon Musk fans were bullied in high school, and the bullies were right"

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That's not a great analogy. Nobody "placed" any sort of tracking on his jet. The plane publicly broadcasts its location information out in the open. Somebody just looked at the information and tweeted it.

What I don't understand is how we know what jet he is in specifically. Couldn't he just change jets?

If it's public sale records could he not just have someone else title it, or rent a jet? Seems like there are so many more solutions for privacy here.

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Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.

Death threats are not covered by free speech, but the location of a jet is not a death threat. I don't think you'll find any legal precedent that says doxing isn't protected speech. Doxing is a bit of forum etiquette and is not considered taboo under other norms. It's also incorrect to say the jet's location tells you where Elon is. I have a friend who's ridden that jet. My friend isn't Elon, but worked for him

What about stalking??

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Thinking of buying shorts on twitter now with all the dumb ass news going around...

You can't buy shares or shorts of a company that is privately owned. The best you could do is find a prediction market and bet against specific metrics.

The best you can do is find a correlated stock (Tesla) and short that instead. I think if Twitter goes bankrupt, you can expect Tesla to enter free-fall.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#526

A lot of hypocrisy from Elon here, but I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to taking down these accounts that are tracking people as it's so close to a Doxing or could lead to something bad happening. A few years ago, we were all mad at Uber for their "God View" which tracked celebrity locations -> https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38314832

Ironic, given Elon now has access to everyone's Twitter data, including location data and private messages - and he's already selling or giving it to others like political figures he wants to influence, mark my words.

> and he's already selling or giving it to others like political figures he wants to influence

Do you have any evidence for this assertion?

Edit: To me, this possibility is why we need laws that protect people from having this sort of private information sold or distributed.

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#527

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I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

> I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan Why? What advantage would that bring to him? Honest question. With him overpaying for Twitter already (maybe not completely voluntary), bankruptcy looks like the fastest way to make the deal even worse.

Won't have to pay a Billion Dollars a year in interest.

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#530

I'm wondering if anyone has recently changed their mind about Elon Musk, in particular about whether he is a free speech advocate?

I have definitely changed my mind on Elon from an overly positive opinion of him to being disappointed in him. I thought his free speech push was a genuine attempt, even if a naive approach. But his immature, politics baiting tweets have really exposed who he is.

I definitely remember defending his actions in the past and apparently I was wrong. He is an asshole. I still maintain that he isn't stupid though. I enjoyed hearing him discuss SpaceX work on podcast interviews in the past.

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