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No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private

Even the CIA flights of kidnapped people to the various black prison sites were public. Using that data, the Austrian Airfoce intercepted and escorted one of those flights out of Austrian airspace.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Like what? Musk, the self-proclaimed free speech absolutionist, said he removed most policies and whatnot.

I thought he mentioned increasing the removal of illegal content and ensuring that public discourse wasn't influenced/manipulated, by state actors, overwhelmingly towards one side over another?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Free speech is subject to rules?

Because Twitter had rules and they enforced those rules which led to bans/suspensions...and people were upset about that on free speech grounds.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private

So are phone numbers and addresses if you look hard enough, but Twitters policy “or they claim” is to protect against doxing and such right?

Flight plans are public, passenger lists are not.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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>But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Yeah, people are saying "it's public info about a public figure", but I'm pretty sure that we could imagine all sorts of creepy-yet-legal digital gang-stalking that one can do, similar to how doxxing is legal but nearly-universally frowned upon. Not to say that the account should have…

He took the company private to promote his politics. There have been lies about free speech for as long as there has been speech. Can we stop clutching our pearls over this reactionary being, gasp, dishonest?

What does this have to do with what I said? If someone had punched Elon on the street and I had said "hey maybe that's not cool", would you be posting this same reply? Must bad, therefore the gloves are off?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.

Using sites like www.flightradar24.com is not that hard, so there isn't a higher threat level by the twitter account.

And it was Elon who stated free speech over everything.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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I think Elon is/was trying to bring back the "glory days" of the internet where free speech was the driving force behind tons of early internet projects. Seemingly everyone was onboard with the internet being humanities bastion of free speech and that had to be protected at all costs. Then the wild west internet was developed into a city and well, you just can't walk around shooting your gun wherever you want anymore…

Yeeah, when people who criticized Musk literally once have to flee their houses, due to rampant and false accusations of pedophilia from Musk friends, we can totally talk about free speech.

Wow, got a source for this?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#198

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

I mean, he's openly been saying the level of death threats he's been receiving is exceedingly high. Seems like it could just be for security.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

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Exactly. Pre-Elon Twitter was all about the need to censor information because of a supposed risk of danger. As the twitter files indicate, often this risk was not readily apparent. Accounts that track high profile people's travel plans is such an evident risk. If are not willing to apply your rule equally to everyone, you really are not in a position to be making these decisions.
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