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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by polygamous_bat » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #131

Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.

Taking public and legally published information from one website and putting it on another is not free speech? Excuse me?

Every day I wake up and wonder what the free speech absolutist's new definition of free speech would be.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by geysersam » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

gfodor wrote: post #131

Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.

If he doesn't want people to know where he is, he shouldn't fly around in a private jet.

Sorry but the world doesn't revolve around that guy. No special rules for billionaires.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by pilsetnieks » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

yanderekko wrote: post #119

smcl wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely: 1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour 2. Elon Musk changed his mind Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Oh, so you can provide another example of Elon directly saying he would do X and then turning around and doing not-X a month or so later with no sort of intervening events that would justify an about-face? I can't think of any.

> Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints. > No major content decisions or account reinstatements will happen before that council convenes. > 9:18 PM · Oct 28, 2022

> The people have spoken. > Trump will be reinstated. > Vox Populi, Vox Dei. > 2:53 AM · Nov 20, 2022

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by PartiallyTyped » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

> Advertisers have come back

Which advertisers, for what price?

We will never know the true revenue of Twitter because it is no longer a traded company nor are they in any obligation to publish data of this kind publicly.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by yusefnapora » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

pastor_bob wrote: post #124

yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Yeah, maybe Twitter instituted a new rule (not public) that you can't track Elon Musk's flight patterns. Follow the rules, people.

Great advice. Everyone should be sure to follow all the rules, especially the secret ones they don't know about.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by dragontamer » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

yanderekko wrote: post #119

smcl wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely: 1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour 2. Elon Musk changed his mind Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Oh, so you can provide another example of Elon directly saying he would do X and then turning around and doing not-X a month or so later with no sort of intervening events that would justify an about-face? I can't think of any.

He won't buy Twitter because it has a bot problem.

Just kidding, he will buy Twitter and turn it into the everything app and it will be awesome.

September 2022 vs October 2022

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Elon will fire 75% of Twitter October statement.

Elon will not fire most of Twitter (November). Look, stupid media was tricked by Rahul Ligma.

Elon fires 75% of Twitter (December)

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by danso » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

Coincidentally, the @TweetTweaker account — which AFAIK was the first to call wide attention [0] to Elon buying up twitter shares right after his $5k offer to @ElonJet was rebuffed — is currently suspended. Its last public interaction was around Nov 6, 2022 [1]

https://archive.vn/WLXQJ

[1] https://twitter.com/GreatPaul_Smith/status/15894241378646097...

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by p0pcult » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

adamsb6 wrote: post #123

_eht wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain the noteworthy parts of a private entity giving political entities special treatment. I’ll take my answer off the line. Thanks.

The noteworthiests bits are government entities directing censorship of private speech. Yes, Twitter is a private platform. But is it legal for the government to aid them in their censorship effort? Suppose Twitter had a policy against religious speech. Would it be legal for the government to identify instances of religious speech on the platform and forward it on to Twitter moderators, knowing it will certainly be r…

Is this a good analogy? Religion is a protected class. Being the kid of a guy running for president is not.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by nodesocket » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

Flipflip79 wrote: post #171

nodesocket wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private

So are phone numbers and addresses if you look hard enough, but Twitters policy “or they claim” is to protect against doxing and such right?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by lambdas » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:32 PM UTC

nodesocket wrote: post #166

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

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I don’t see that as a fair equivalent - it’s a legal broadcast, it’s not obscured or private by any means. Every time that plane changes destinations it’s a legal requirement to put that information out into the open.

He just doesn’t like it, so goodbye freedom of speech.