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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#61
A lot of hypocrisy from Elon here, but I'm at least somewhat sympathetic to taking down these accounts that are tracking people as it's so close to a Doxing or could lead to something bad happening.

A few years ago, we were all mad at Uber for their "God View" which tracked celebrity locations -> https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-38314832

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#63

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Like what? Musk, the self-proclaimed free speech absolutionist, said he removed most policies and whatnot.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#64
post #59

I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.

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Of course not, and that is logically consistent with my statements that state I am not a free speech absolutist.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#65

Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger

None of it was news. As we learned during the Trump era, just because a narcissist claims that unjust things are happening doesn't make it true. I, for one, am glad that Twitter suppressed links to and media of Hunter Biden stolen and disseminated without his consent. All the other discussions in the "Twitter Files" are mundane, day-to-day happenings and decisions made at a ton of tech companies across the world with two goals: don't get sued, and don't get bad press. More than half of what has been released had already been covered many times over by other news outlets and journalists.

If anyone thinks these communications are a smoking gun, I'd invite them to get into the upper reaches of leadership and see for themselves that there are rarely cut and dry cases where everyone agrees on what to do or when to do it. In reality, operating a multinational business that needs to avoid regulatory scrutiny is, believe it or not, challenging.

So look at all this through the lens of what Elon seeks to gain from releasing all of this. He never acts out of pure altruistic intentions; he only takes action when he believes it will greatly benefit him.

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#66

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

Umm, we do do the same to everyone. Flight trackers use public data.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#67
post #59

I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.

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Whataboutism / false equivalence. Besides, that already happens, it's just your iphone / apple tags / android / tesla / phone.

Airplanes' location is public information, see https://www.flightradar24.com/

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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post #40

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

The data is public. Does taking publicly accessible data and tweeting it make it creepy? Or is more a problem to you that all the data is public? You could hide within this, say, you know, take a first class flight somewhere on a commercial plane. The price you pay for having your own plane is that your plane's movements are public. I personally support all of this data being public, it's generally a great way to gai…

Public data doesn't give you licenses to act unethically and immorally, laws are oftentimes poorly written.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#70
post #38

Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger

I think it's because they've largely proven to be uninteresting or unsurprising. The two big reveals early on were: - The Biden family tried to get what is effectively revenge porn taken down from Twitter before he was elected. - Twitter had labels for high-profile accounts like libsoftiktok that meant "don't ban this person without some higher-up approval" In both cases they were deliberately presented in a misleadi…

That would be a GDPR violation right there.
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