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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by disantlor »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #16

I think Elon is/was trying to bring back the "glory days" of the internet where free speech was the driving force behind tons of early internet projects. Seemingly everyone was onboard with the internet being humanities bastion of free speech and that had to be protected at all costs. Then the wild west internet was developed into a city and well, you just can't walk around shooting your gun wherever you want anymore…

to the extent the internet was "free" it was because it hadn't yet been fully captured by capitalism

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by LastTrain »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

"ElonJet is Now Suspended" is the narrative.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by makestuff »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

He needs 1b a year just to service the debt.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by 4ndrewl »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

His aircraft literally broadcasts this information through the sky. It's hardly tracking. And yes, we do it to everyone. Take a look at adsbexchange or flightaware.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by kelseyfrog »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

The account clearly doesn't violate the NAP so it's libertarian-approved.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by afavour »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

I think you need to avoid taking Musk’s word at face value and instead look at his actions. Avoiding paying rent and severance is not what a financially healthy company does.

The only logical reason I can think of to not pay something you know you’re legally obligated to pay is if you’re intending to declare bankruptcy to avoid paying. Otherwise you’re going to end up paying and pay a load of legal fees on top.

I guess one alternative is effectively taking a risky loan: you are running low on cash but you have a large cash flow coming in the future. Stop paying rent, eventually after a protracted court battle pay your debts with that future cash flow and the legal fees are “interest”.

Neither feels like the actions of a financially healthy company.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by salex89 »

suyash wrote: post #10

I would report all the other accounts as they can present a security threat. This should be private information in the first place.

How is that exactly a risk for a commercial aircraft unless you fear someone armed with a Stinger missile is out to get you? If they had one, I sincerely doubt they would be using public ADS-B ported to a Twitter account to track you around.

You could sometimes track Global Hawk drones above the Black Sea publicly.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by awb »

aidenn0 wrote: post #25
selectodude wrote: post #3

“My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk” Elon Musk, 2022-11-06

Did he really say that?

Yes: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Workaccount2 »

FourHand451 wrote: post #24
Workaccount2 wrote: post #16

I think Elon is/was trying to bring back the "glory days" of the internet where free speech was the driving force behind tons of early internet projects. Seemingly everyone was onboard with the internet being humanities bastion of free speech and that had to be protected at all costs. Then the wild west internet was developed into a city and well, you just can't walk around shooting your gun wherever you want anymore…

How exactly is he working toward free speech being a driving force? From what I can tell, he's just banning different people.

He's not, he was idealizing it. His rhetoric about free speech harkens back to the early/mid internet days. The internet today is not what it was 20 years ago when you could run a platform where rule #1 was "Free speech is absolute and guaranteed", and could actually fulfill that promise without consequence.
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