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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ixwt » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:06 PM UTC

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

From what I've heard (I haven't searched for verification) hedge funds do watch private flights in an attempt to be ahead of merger announcements.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by par » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:06 PM UTC

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

Which major advertisers are coming back?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by watwut » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

Workaccount2 wrote: post #16

I think Elon is/was trying to bring back the "glory days" of the internet where free speech was the driving force behind tons of early internet projects. Seemingly everyone was onboard with the internet being humanities bastion of free speech and that had to be protected at all costs. Then the wild west internet was developed into a city and well, you just can't walk around shooting your gun wherever you want anymore…

Yeeah, when people who criticized Musk literally once have to flee their houses, due to rampant and false accusations of pedophilia from Musk friends, we can totally talk about free speech.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by yanderekko » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

>But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive.

Yeah, people are saying "it's public info about a public figure", but I'm pretty sure that we could imagine all sorts of creepy-yet-legal digital gang-stalking that one can do, similar to how doxxing is legal but nearly-universally frowned upon. Not to say that the account should have been banned, but I don't see this as just harmless fun like others seem to.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mbgerring » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

Aside from watching many accounts critical of Elon get banned or suspended, it’s been entertaining to occasionally look at Twitter’s front page logged out, because:

1) If you have no cookies, Twitter constantly recommends that you follow Elon Musk

2) “Elon Musk” appears to be permanently set as a trending topic for logged-out users

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by afavour » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

yanderekko wrote: post #27

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

If there is the only people that can say as such are Twitter and/or Musk himself. So far we’ve heard nothing.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by rideontime » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #23

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

Definitely not going bankrupt though people would be happy to see it. Advertisers have come back and the staff is muuuuch smaller than before.

Judging by the quality of ads that are being presented on twitter these days (when I see any at all), this is very obviously not true, no matter how much Elon claims otherwise.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by fundad » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

Overtonwindow wrote: post #7

Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger

By kill the messenger do you mean they feel burned after taking him at his word?

They lost credibility for repeating his commitments about free speech so yhey should treat his claims [despite “documents”] as just tweets.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by jeromegv » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

You are either a free speech absolutist or you are not. The moment you start putting exceptions because you consider it "creepy", then your support of free speech is the same as what most of the population believes in: free speech with limits.

It's interesting that you would put this at your limit because this is free and public data.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by X6S1x6Okd1st » Wed, Dec 14, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

yanderekko wrote: post #27

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Nothing unusual on the FB account

https://m.facebook.com/ElonJet/