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Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #82

Keep in mind many of the salary transparency laws have minimum employee counts before they come into effect, and iirc, the new york one requires an existing employee being located there before it comes into effect. I'm firmly on the side of salary transparency, even if a company technically doesn't have to because of its size - but I suspect many of the YC companies in question here are small enough to not be affecte…

Great answer to my question thank you

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Ask HN: Why are YC companies in NYC posting their salary range, as law requires?" Is that the right polarity? I think the question was/should be why "aren't" they posting it. Right? Or do I totally misunderstand?

Yikes, that was a typo. Sorry! Now I have to figure out how to squeeze 'not' in there without going over 80 chars. Edit: ok, fixed now.

I never meant to imply all NYC companies are doing this FYI.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I changed the title as part of moderating this thread less than we normally would. We moderate HN threads less, not more, when YC or YC startups are part of the story—this has been established practice since the beginning: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... . The way we'd normally moderate a thread like this is by downweighting it as a generic riler-upper ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRan…

I commend dang for listening to what multiple people were advising and backing out of a misleading edit. Thank you, I appreciate how difficult your job is. (And how difficult people like myself sometimes seem to make it.)

Still misleading. It now implies it is only a NYC issue and that all NYC companies are at fault.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I changed the title as part of moderating this thread less than we normally would. We moderate HN threads less, not more, when YC or YC startups are part of the story—this has been established practice since the beginning: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... . The way we'd normally moderate a thread like this is by downweighting it as a generic riler-upper ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRan…

Bro, the post effected positive change (several updated job posts before regulatory bodies were involved), and could have been done with a lot less tact. For example, I could have screenshotted or even just mentioned offenders. Maybe the tone wasn't perfect - but isn't it YOUR job to pay attention to what gets posted here? Were you not aware of the labor laws in these states? It isn't something that happened just a c…

Hey, I'm sorry. I acknowledge the positive effects of your post, your good intentions, and the fact that you could have been a lot less tactful.

I was writing from a place of general irritation and even defensiveness. I wasn't thinking about your point of view or how you would feel reading my general putdowns of this type of post. If I were in your position, I'd be pissed off too.

Even after doing this for a long time, I still find myself making unhelpful assumptions. All I can tell you is that I'll continue to work on it.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I commend dang for listening to what multiple people were advising and backing out of a misleading edit. Thank you, I appreciate how difficult your job is. (And how difficult people like myself sometimes seem to make it.)

Still misleading. It now implies it is only a NYC issue and that all NYC companies are at fault.

Ok, I've tried once more—this time taking out NYC and taking out the implication that all YC companies are at fault. Is this better?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yikes, that was a typo. Sorry! Now I have to figure out how to squeeze 'not' in there without going over 80 chars. Edit: ok, fixed now.

I never meant to imply all NYC companies are doing this FYI.

Thanks, I appreciate the clarification.

I've edited it again with that in mind - see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33976352.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro, the post effected positive change (several updated job posts before regulatory bodies were involved), and could have been done with a lot less tact. For example, I could have screenshotted or even just mentioned offenders. Maybe the tone wasn't perfect - but isn't it YOUR job to pay attention to what gets posted here? Were you not aware of the labor laws in these states? It isn't something that happened just a c…

Hey, I'm sorry. I acknowledge the positive effects of your post, your good intentions, and the fact that you could have been a lot less tactful. I was writing from a place of general irritation and even defensiveness. I wasn't thinking about your point of view or how you would feel reading my general putdowns of this type of post. If I were in your position, I'd be pissed off too. Even after doing this for a long tim…

Sorry for going off. Inappropriate on my part.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #271

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I was sort of being facetious with the 40 hours thing. Nobody really gets 40 hours of interaction of a candidate before hiring. More typical is closer to 5-8, which means they can make a decision in a single day. Edit: even an intense 6-interview loop including a "sell" dinner can be done in a day if scheduled properly. The multiple weeks thing is entirely poor scheduling on the part of the company.

5-8 still seems like a lot t me. 1-3 has been more typical of my experience.

3 tech interviews, lunch with team or other colleague, followed by general corporate HR interview and a "sell" session all fit neatly into a single business day.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Also they might be underpaying their current staff.

This is the truth of it. They have devs who are making $130k who have worked there for 4 years and they don't want to give them a raise to $200k.

I know a guy that works at a very well-known tech company and has been a software engineer for over 15 years for them and is only being paid $120K.

He says "They treat me well", and I'm like, no they fucking don't. They don't value your work anywhere close to what it should be. I told him that he could easily triple his TC by going almost literally anywhere else.

I used to work for said company. I left because the salary was way below market and literally doubled my salary from $100K to $200K at my new digs. I made it no secret to my old manager that money was the #1 reason why I was leaving (#2 being that the team I was working on was basically falling apart due to internal politics), and he acknowledged that salaries are significantly below market and that HR is promising updates to salary bands to bring them up to market within the next couple months. Spoiler alert: It's been 1 1/2 years since I left, and the couple people I talk to from there say nothing has changed.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey, I'm sorry. I acknowledge the positive effects of your post, your good intentions, and the fact that you could have been a lot less tactful. I was writing from a place of general irritation and even defensiveness. I wasn't thinking about your point of view or how you would feel reading my general putdowns of this type of post. If I were in your position, I'd be pissed off too. Even after doing this for a long tim…

Sorry for going off. Inappropriate on my part.

Did you consider mailing Dan about this issue before making it an 'Ask HN' post?
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