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The United States of America vs. Samuel Bankman-Fried Indictment [pdf]

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Post by whateveracct »

IncRnd wrote: post #169
bredren wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we have some examples of people who have amassed great real or perceived fortunes (and power) that have not become drunk on it? Musk on stage with Chapelle last night, Elizabeth Holmes, or SBF’s whole schtick, who are the ones who have kept their feet on the ground? What are the attributes of these others who don’t lose themselves in fawning attention and (sometimes short-lived) mountains of capital?

There are so many people who have obtained fortunes and not become drunk on that. The person who built a liquor store and grew into 20 stores across the city. People who started consulting companies. That immigrant family who scraped and scraped for decades while living above their restaurant. The list is endless, especially compared to the much shorter list of crypto criminals who are drunk on their illusory power a…

Money really is wasted on some people

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Post by whateveracct »

revscat wrote: post #192
ivraatiems wrote: post #12

How anyone could look at this man's behavior over the last few weeks and not think he was on a fast track to a federal penitentiary is beyond me. A word to the unwise: If you have done something, anything, that you have a credible reason to believe the United States government thinks is illegal, shut up . Do not do any of the following: * Go on a podcast and talk about it * Go on a Twitter livestream and talk about i…

Donald Trump did exactly the opposite of your advice at every turn, yet remains free and unindicted. SBF’s main mistake seems to have been not cultivating political clout before committing fraud, not anything related to what he said or did.

Trump was president. Not saying the POTUS is above the law, but it's a much more complicated & explosive situation for law enforcement. And his political clout & influence he used to commit said crimes in broad daylight is way more than some political donations.

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Post by akgerber »

2devnull wrote: post #83
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How anyone could look at this man's behavior over the last few weeks and not think he was on a fast track to a federal penitentiary is beyond me Seeing how thoroughly he convinced people that he had political influence, and given his general lack of awareness, I’m willing to give merit to his believing he was immune. Similar to how people outside securities think insider trading is more rampant than it is, insider…

I think this is a bit far fetched. He was the scion of famous law professors. He grew up around the law. To think he didn’t understand what the general public does about the law takes a special kind of … assumption that directly contradicts the obvious facts. He very likely knows more about the law than anyone on here. How could he not?

The work of a famous law professor is very different from the work of a defense lawyer, and generally involves very little interaction with the business end of the justice system.

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Post by JoblessWonder »

lisper wrote: post #255
wmorein wrote: post #247

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Is this really true? How does it actually work? You donate $5800 then give them a call and ask for a meeting? I assumed that would take a lot more.

If you give them $5800 they will start calling you to ask for more money. If it's a Congressman they will usually call you themselves. If it's a Senator they might call you personally, or they might have their campaign manager call. But from there it's pretty easy to get a meeting if you want one. You don't even have to give $5800 in most cases. $1k is plenty to get the attention of junior congressmen and even some l…

Just seconding everything you are saying. We dabbled in political contributions at my workplace for a project and it was easy to get a meeting with just about anyone (except our Senators who we didn't need to try) as long as we were flexible with scheduling.

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Post by gweinberg »

BryantD wrote: post #248
jiscariot wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the #2 donor behind Soros to Democratic candidates. It's not every day that the number two gets indicted for a multi-billion dollar fraud. It is good to see questions around influence arise.

This is accurate for non-dark money. Interestingly, if we take SBF at his word that he donated equally to Republicans in dark money, he would be the fifth largest donor to Republican candidates. https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/3720141-here-are-the...

Why on earth would you believe anything he says without evidence?

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Post by datavirtue »

spookthesunset wrote: post #214
eddsh1994 wrote: post #177

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Warren Buffet? Maybe Bill Gates? Queen Elizabeth II?

Gates seems to be caught up in Epstein stuff. Maybe. So I’m not sure where he stands. He does know when to shut his pie hole though.

It runs in his family.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

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Post by [deleted] »

IncRnd wrote: post #169
bredren wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do we have some examples of people who have amassed great real or perceived fortunes (and power) that have not become drunk on it? Musk on stage with Chapelle last night, Elizabeth Holmes, or SBF’s whole schtick, who are the ones who have kept their feet on the ground? What are the attributes of these others who don’t lose themselves in fawning attention and (sometimes short-lived) mountains of capital?

There are so many people who have obtained fortunes and not become drunk on that. The person who built a liquor store and grew into 20 stores across the city. People who started consulting companies. That immigrant family who scraped and scraped for decades while living above their restaurant. The list is endless, especially compared to the much shorter list of crypto criminals who are drunk on their illusory power a…

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Post by darcys22 »

okasaki wrote: post #111

Is there some reason why this kind of stuff is typed up on a typwriter?

This was my exact thoughts too! surely human beings from the 21st century could have improved on this.

However I'm also pretty sure that lawyers have found a loophole to prevent their jobs from being automated, if you just make using technology illegal/"not to standard" then they can keep billing $500 per hour to use a typewriter

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #71
ivraatiems wrote: post #12

How anyone could look at this man's behavior over the last few weeks and not think he was on a fast track to a federal penitentiary is beyond me. A word to the unwise: If you have done something, anything, that you have a credible reason to believe the United States government thinks is illegal, shut up . Do not do any of the following: * Go on a podcast and talk about it * Go on a Twitter livestream and talk about i…

People keep saying this, but honestly, does anyone really think it makes one iota of difference? Fact is that there is a huge paper trail of SBF's malfeasance, nevermind the fact that his co-conspirators appear to be turning against him. If anything, his interviews seemed to be his attempt to argue for negligence over malice in his case. Yes, SBF is going to prison for a long time. No, I don't think anyone has made a…

Yes - he easily could've spent a decade out of jail - possibly with quite a lavish life - and ended up serving much less jail time.

So - on basically every account - he would've been far, far better off to STFU.

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