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Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by rchaud »

yamtaddle wrote: post #88
xnorswap wrote: post #48

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

It's deeply bizarre to me that there are so many posters on here who think a fund that: 1) invests in, 2) advises, and 3) provides free job advertising to; various startups, has no responsibility to advise them to follow the law when posting those job advertisements on that fund's own job board . I understand the ones who raise the possibility that some of these aren't, in fact, breaking the law, for one reason or an…

in Silicon Valley style "first principles thinking", you start from the premise that laws don't exist. Airbnb and Uber wouldn't exist if their backers urged them to comply with state laws.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by nicoburns »

runako wrote: post #271
anon7725 wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a good process to ensure you don’t hire anyone who is currently employed. I would not sign up for this even if I was between jobs unless I was desperate. I don’t mind coding challenges, etc, but the first few weeks at any job is mostly scut work getting things set up, meeting people, etc.

I was sort of being facetious with the 40 hours thing. Nobody really gets 40 hours of interaction of a candidate before hiring. More typical is closer to 5-8, which means they can make a decision in a single day. Edit: even an intense 6-interview loop including a "sell" dinner can be done in a day if scheduled properly. The multiple weeks thing is entirely poor scheduling on the part of the company.

5-8 still seems like a lot t me. 1-3 has been more typical of my experience.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by rr888 »

pyrrhotech wrote: post #79
pimterry wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

14 minutes later, it now has a salary range: > $175K-210K base compensation 'Post about the problem on HN' shows its power once again.

This seems low for 5+ YoE in NYC

Salary is much higher than most corporate IT jobs in NYC.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by gregjor »

wpietri wrote: post #221
gregjor wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did think you wrote the original post. My mistake, I have corrected my comment. Whether YC would want to prevent illegal or unethical behavior is a question I can't answer. I would hope so. But I don't think it's reasonable to put the burden of enforcing various employment posting laws on YC/HN, especially when the laws are new and have jurisdiction questions and exceptions. My reading of the NYC law tells me job b…

> I don't object to a discussion about what responsibility YC and HN have How very generous of you to allow us to discuss things.

Don't go all Musk on me. Me objecting to a topic does not "allow" or censor anyone else. I object to your snide comment but would not disallow it.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by 1attice »

dang wrote: post #233
1attice wrote: post #227

Conflict-of-interest evident in the HN re-title-fication of this post. Recall that making something less salacious when you are the subject is quite different from toning down clickbait headlines when you're wearing your neutral-editorial hat. Original title was 'Why are some YC companies breaking the law?' And frankly, that's a great question. Admittedly not-so-great is the absence of any specific example on the OP,…

I changed the title as part of moderating this thread less than we normally would. We moderate HN threads less, not more, when YC or YC startups are part of the story—this has been established practice since the beginning: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... . The way we'd normally moderate a thread like this is by downweighting it as a generic riler-upper ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRan…

I commend dang for listening to what multiple people were advising and backing out of a misleading edit.

Thank you, I appreciate how difficult your job is. (And how difficult people like myself sometimes seem to make it.)

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

xnorswap wrote: post #48

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

The craziest one is The Muse, which is NYC based, and is literally a jobs board, but does not list salary for its own jobs. Doesn't inspire confidence!

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by gregjor »

falcolas wrote: post #136
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> more-powerful and better-informed entity With many of these roles, it’s unclear who has the advantage: the seed-stage start-up or the key employee.

Respectfully, if someone can't comply with the laws they're subject to (or more accurately bother to look up the laws they need to comply with), they shouldn't be trying to run a business. It's literally their job as a business owner, and millions of people successfully do this every year.

I can guarantee that every single business fails to comply with many laws. No one can know every law that might apply to them. A startup in California advertising a remote job that they hire a New Yorker for now has to comply with NYC laws. At best you can try to keep up with, understand, and comply with the most important and well-known laws. But you don't find out your toilets aren't ADA compliant or your storage shed breaks the fire and zoning rules until someone catches you. It's simply not practical to "look up the laws they need to comply with."

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by roflyear »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #169
xnorswap wrote: post #48

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

OP is likely referring to the "Who is Hiring?" posts. Those offerings are user-generated and likely fall under Section 230. Even if that weren't the case, New York City has no juridiction over a company's speech in the Bay Area.

No, I mean the job ads that are sometimes promoted.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by roflyear »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #286
xnorswap wrote: post #48

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

The craziest one is The Muse , which is NYC based, and is literally a jobs board, but does not list salary for its own jobs. Doesn't inspire confidence!

Lol missed that one!

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by roflyear »

paulgb wrote: post #53

There are some comments in here that verge on assuming bad faith on the part of the companies involved, so I think it's worth pointing out that this is a new law which has been in effect for just over a month. It's been on the way for a while, so it's not “sudden”, but it’s still a new thing that people are figuring out and it’s easier to forget about if you’re in the habit of re-using old listings. (Not about OP, wh…

How much of a heads up did people get?
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