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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #274

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> Zuckerberg even married an ethnic Chinese woman in order to get a leg up on accessing the Chinese market. Do you have a credible citation for this, or are you making an assumption that there would be no more compelling reasons for Zuck to marry someone who's ethnically Chinese? (Asking for my ethnically 3/4 Chinese wife, my cousin's ethnically Chinese husband, and plenty of other European/Chinese mixed ancestry mar…

I think that claim is probably not true; they met in college many years before business in China was realistically on Zuckerberg's radar. However it is certainly true that Zuckerberg has sucked up to the CCP, going so far ask to ask Xi Jinping to name his unborn child. Nauseating servility on a personal level. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-...

In addition, ethnicity wouldn't gain him any measurable leverage. His wife or his in-laws would need to be senior party members in order for a political marriage to have any advantage.

As a gweilo who lived 10 years in Hong Kong, roughly half the time single and half the time married, my perception is that speaking Canto/Mandarin is a much better leg up than marrying someone who looks local.

(Funny, though, conversations with strangers would generally start with Canto being spoken to my wife, who would give a blank look and point to me, and I'd reply in Mandarin, followed by the stranger speaking Mandarin at my wife while I replied in Mandarin and occasionally dropped English bread crumbs for my wife. So many people just found it too awkward to speak Mandarin with a gweilo and preferred to speak Mandarin at my obviously-non-comprehending wife. That being said, I have a deep affection for Hong Kong and its residents, and it's pretty easy to get around just speaking English.)

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Ok what’s your point?

That this is not the real motivation of the bill: "the biggest concern is still Chinese ownership of US customer data." The bill doesn't address Chinese ownership of US customer data. The bill is specifically about social media, and doesn't apply generally to other Chinese companies that also suck up US customer data.

It would be a tough sell. Think of the children works so much better.

Yet you admitted, another kind of services would "presumably not be banned by this bill because it lacks those social media features. Maybe it would be banned by another law, ..." which is in agreement with comments saying that this bill is targeted at Tik Tok.

The irony is that the pedagogic aspect is secondary if those comments are right, but because data which documents how much the people are lacking impulse control is at ridiculous levels, if I am projecting myself for a second. The why you don't face book and study meme applies.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #22

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Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

Ah, it's the old slippery-slope argument again. I'm fine with banning all apps from countries that require their app-makers to share data with the government. If that requires an international treaty to codify when a company must share data (e.g. only with a criminal warrant), then great, let's do that. China would refuse to sign that treaty? Even better.

This would absolutely obliterate the entire US tech sector.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #135

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So, you will ban apps from ~all other countries.

Certainly Europe would be better off if they took this approach and banned all American apps. American techies have no respect for European privacy laws and will never faithfully follow the spirit of such laws, or even the letter.

They are smarter than a blanket ban, create rules that suite the EU, not just a blanket ban.

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That’s no different from any nation, though.

Which is probably why we'll slowly see the slow Balkanization of the internet. South Americans will go to South American properties. North Americans will go to North American Properties. Europeans will go to European properties. I even expect the Africans to see this Balkanization as a way to solve some of their problems with, at once, unemployment and security.

Balkanization is one way to see it. Re-assertion of sovereignty is another. Without this 'balkanization', the EU lacks the practical ability to regulate their own internal affairs. Their data and privacy laws are little more than wishful thinking until they ban American apps (all American software companies are legally obligated by the US Government to flaunt those EU laws.)

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #217

Somebody more in the know, will this actually pass?

Well, I would rather follow the money. Ad budgets for the next year might consider this possibility and TikTok revenue will suffer.

Kind of a tangent question but what's worst case scenario on what TikTok can do with the level of data they have?

Let's say I'm the average TikTok user and I grant it all permissions on my phone that the iOS app store approval process has allowed them to do.

How... predatory are those?

They know who I am, where I live, who my friends are, where I go, my "habits/interests". Worst case scenario my job, my wealth level.

What can China/the Chinese government/Bytedance go with this information that is so "scary"?

Say Meta + Bytedance have the same information on me. One company is American, one company is Chinese. Why is the Chinese one having that level of information bad?

Can China force Bytedance to do something with the app's algorithm to influence millions of people to think a certain way? Are people just puppets that don't think for themselves? It's ok if Meta influences us but not Bytedance? Why are we assuming we're easily influenced and need to be protected from... ourselves?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That this is not the real motivation of the bill: "the biggest concern is still Chinese ownership of US customer data." The bill doesn't address Chinese ownership of US customer data. The bill is specifically about social media, and doesn't apply generally to other Chinese companies that also suck up US customer data.

It would be a tough sell. Think of the children works so much better. Yet you admitted, another kind of services would "presumably not be banned by this bill because it lacks those social media features. Maybe it would be banned by another law, ..." which is in agreement with comments saying that this bill is targeted at Tik Tok. The irony is that the pedagogic aspect is secondary if those comments are right, but bec…

Basically, I don't think these US legislators are (as of yet) serious about combating the privacy and national security concerns centered around foreign apps. They're mad about TikTok specifically, probably because their own children have been watching/producing cringe on TikTok specifically.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

> Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban?

What's the worst thing Bytedance / China can do with the average amount of "US citizen/TikTok user" data they have?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #253

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TikTok has 138 million MAU (in the U.S.) and the average TikTok user spend 95 minutes per day in the app. I'm unaware of a podcast that has that type of reach. Source: https://wallaroomedia.com/blog/social-media/tiktok-statistic...

Joe Rogan's podcast probably comes close, with multiple three hour or more episodes each week, though he does take breaks, which TikTok does not.

His podcast gets around 11 million listeners, so off by over an order of magnitude.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #57

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> American government thinks of its citizens as being so clueless to need such a paternalistic policy. uh... you really haven't met a lot of US citizens if you think they don't need paternalistic policy.

Oh I have. Plenty of Americans do things obviously bad for themselves. Should all of those things be illegal? Debatable

Freedom is nothing more than the right to do the "wrong" thing.
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