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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the biggest concern is still Chinese ownership of US customer data. Not just the addictive features within the app.

> Because the biggest concern is still Chinese ownership of US customer data. This legislation doesn't ban all Chinese government controlled apps that users might share their data with, only those that are social media specifically. If users cannot view content generated by other users, then it isn't social media and isn't banned by this bill. If the app doesn't sell digital advertising space, then it isn't social me…

Ok what’s your point?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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This has been a MOT (major ongoing topic) for a while (I don't mean Tiktok in general, just the regulation/bannage aspect). Below are the threads I was able to find.

With MOTs, we generally wait for SNI (significant new information) before having yet another thread. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Proposed bills tend not to count as SNI since they usually don't go anywhere. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... I suppose in this case the appearance of the bill itself may be a significant notch in the story?

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South Dakota first to ban TikTok on state-owned devices - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33836666 - Dec 2022 (291 comments)

The FBI alleges TikTok poses national security concerns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33653894 - Nov 2022 (418 comments)

U.S. FBI director says TikTok poses national security concerns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33617301 - Nov 2022 (68 comments)

TikTok is “unacceptable security risk” and should be removed from app stores - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33447285 - Nov 2022 (64 comments)

FCC commissioner says government should ban TikTok - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33423895 - Nov 2022 (112 comments)

TikTok accused of covert plot to track specific US citizens' every move - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33302591 - Oct 2022 (106 comments)

ByteDance planned to use TikTok to surveil specific American citizens - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33280176 - Oct 2022 (208 comments)

FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32148218 - July 2022 (848 comments)

As TikTok grows, so does suspicion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32045339 - July 2022 (617 comments)

FCC commissioner wants TikTok removed from app stores over spying concerns - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31923483 - June 2022 (505 comments)

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. The recent 60 minutes story specifically says the type of content is completely different because it is heavily moderated in China which is the total opposite of what we see in the US or elsewhere outside of China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0xzuh-6rY&ab_channel=60Min...

I'm consistently surprised that many people in the tech community treat China as some unknowable country that we only get a few snippets of insight in from our media. If you work in tech, you most certainly have a few Chinese citizens as coworkers and colleagues. Talk to them about what life is like if you're curious, don't rely on "60 minutes". TikTok in China may be moderated but only to keep anything controversial…

Do you have tiktok? You can clearly tell that it promotes inflammatory content if you use it for a few days/weeks. This is legislation against the CCP, not against the people of China.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Technical and security issues aside, I wonder how the users are going to take it. My generation (1992) didn’t have a major cultural phenomenon being attacked in this way, though there was still the moral panic around things like social media and research chems. The closest comparison I can draw is the crackdown on raves which affected western Gen X youth, but TikTok is more pervasive and more heterogeneous as a form…

Snapchat, YouTube and Instagram already provide alternatives that are nearly identical in functionality.

I remember vine from my undergrad and cannot see how tiktok is different, yet… I know a bunch of tiktok users and vine went the way of the Harlem shake, side parted hair and tribal print on everything.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Tangentially related. A friend of mine's wife is a paramedic/firefighter and I always ask her about crazy stories from when she's on duty. This past weekend, she told me about one where a teenager saw a challenge/trend on TikTok to report a fake fire. She said they showed up with multiple fire engines, ambulances, and a squad car to no fire. The girl who called it in just said she saw it as a trend on TikTok and want…

> it's a covert foreign state attack—ideological subversion—by the CCP Have you actually used TikTok? I've heard this claim several times but I'm just not seeing it in my feed.

Yes, but I stopped about two years ago once I realized what it was/who was creating it (I though it was U.S. based at first). It was very clearly a vehicle for demoralization.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Why not? China doesn’t allow our social media. Why should we allow theirs? We can easily copy the best parts of the platform and let our companies take their users. Plus, social media can be used for mass political manipulation, and what justifies letting them hold that power over our population? It’s good for our companies, it’s good for our people, and it takes away a dangerous tool from a country that is more and…

I don't think US social media companies are per se banned in China. They just have to obey the same Chinese rules for data storage and content moderation and record keeping that Chinese social media companies have to obey.

It's not all that different from US companies that want to operate in Europe having to obey Europe's stricter regulations in areas such as food safety and consumer protection or have to obey GDPR.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #171

Technical and security issues aside, I wonder how the users are going to take it. My generation (1992) didn’t have a major cultural phenomenon being attacked in this way, though there was still the moral panic around things like social media and research chems. The closest comparison I can draw is the crackdown on raves which affected western Gen X youth, but TikTok is more pervasive and more heterogeneous as a form…

Snapchat, YouTube and Instagram already provide alternatives that are nearly identical in functionality.

If TikTok was to actually get banned I could see IG Reels scooping up most of that userbase. Though they can replicate the functionality, replicating the algorithm is going to be difficult. One of the things that's made TikTok such a phenomenon is that their algorithm is crazy good at figuring out what you like and boosting small content creators.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping our markets open is the American way and it's how the US became the preeminent trading nation and the cornerstone and chief architect of the global economic system. The US always pushes hard for other nations to open their markets as well (for better or worse), but it also leads by example.

A different take: https://www.amazon.com/Kicking-Away-Ladder-Development-Persp...

It’s a bad argument when China has blocked most foreign companies from entering its domestic market. Why can’t we block their companies from operating in our market?

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

Data storage regulations are boring poindexter. We need lines like, “TikTok is digital fentanyl.”

Language like this exaggerates individual-user harms of TikTok by comparison to lethal street drug, conflating them with public, national-interest harms.

This is disingenous, as reported by common-sense. For example, my city does not have sidewalks lined with tents full of TikTok users, but the same cannot be said of the comparand.

This has either or both of the following knock-on effects:

- Undermine trust in the speaker for people who feel the 'seam' in the analogy. American institutions are really good at undermining themselves in this way. Remember DARE? It took me years to trust any authority again after hearing their nonsense about cannabis, back in the nineties. They used to call it things like "herbal heroin", etc.

- Promote stigmatization of TikTok users, and social-media users more generally. It's like taking the Smudge Tool in photoshop and moving some of the stigma from fentanyl to TikTok. This will have the unintended effect of further isolating people who depend on social media because they are disabled and/or shut-in; socially isolated; physically isolated; LGBTQ; autistic; etc. You aren't accessing community now, you're ~high on fentanyl~. Like.

American politicians love lines like this because they feel good in the short term but contribute to the ruin of polity in the longer run. Which is why these quips are the proper analog of fentanyl.

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