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Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by monocasa »

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #86
Osiris wrote: post #61

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This has been law in Colorado for 2 years and applies to anyone offering jobs to any Colorado resident including remote jobs. The law passed in 2019 and went into effect Jan 1, 2021.

Has Colorado actually enforced the law? The major difference with the NY law is that NY is actually expected to enforce it. That being said, the law is deliberately expected to be leniently enforced, starting with warnings, and only after the warning has been issued will fines be enforced. Also, another big difference is that other major states (CA & WA I believe) are expected to enact similar laws in 2023, so most U…

CO has enforced the law.

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Post by ornornor »

next_xibalba wrote: post #198
ornornor wrote: post #197

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Making money at all costs usually implies a shitty culture that I personally seek to avoid.

Maybe. But whatever the goal of your organization, achieving that goal is going to depend on the people you hire.

I wish every organization had read that memo :)

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Post by JackFr »

ollien wrote: post #146
yamtaddle wrote: post #97

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> * If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. My experience with being hired at non-FAANG places over a career of more than two decades is that I'm usually through a process and h…

I have been through a process that took 4 months, from start to end, with almost two months of silence between. The only reason I knew I wasn't rejected was I had a friend on the inside.

I had a 4 month hiring process - but in fairness they were very transparent. Early on in the process I was warned it would take a long time, and at each step along the way it was made clear what was happening. There was never a feeling of being half ghosted.

Wasn’t a bad experience at all.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by SoftTalker »

next_xibalba wrote: post #195
ido wrote: post #187

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I would postulate the single most important thing a company can do is make money. Hiring is also important though.

Making money is a downstream output of the activities of your people. So, if making money is your goal, the most important thing you can do to reach your goal is to hire the right people.

If you want to hire the right people, you need to be making enough money to pay them.

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Post by googlryas »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #194
googlryas wrote: post #172

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Check the site "walgreens.jobs", the listings are still there. Here's a photo I took of the posting: https://i.imgur.com/jSl1Rjk.png

Oh, something must be broken with their search, or my Safari content blocker is blocking something which is breaking the search. I found the a job listing in boulder here, which has the same pay range link as above: https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/job/boulder/pharmacy-technicia... But yes, per CO law, the job posting you took a picture of should also state the same pay range and benefit info (page 4). https://cdle.colo…

I actually think they fixed the online version since the last time I checked - when I visited it 3 weeks ago, I remember the site staying on the "walgreens.jobs" domain for the entire visit - now it redirects to jobs.walgreens.com. I wonder if they were using an old poster from before the law came into effect, and maybe even the listings/website were old before the migration to jobs.walgreens.com - now they do include a link to the pay information, but I love how they make you copy and paste a URL instead of just directly including the info, or even making it a hyperlink.

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Post by pixl97 »

noir_lord wrote: post #119
bluedevil2k wrote: post #85

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Yeah, this isn’t correct. All things being equal, the first to post a number is at a big advantage. As another commenter pointed out, this is called anchoring. Think about a house being sold in a normal market, the price is always well above its market value to anchor the numbers high. The reason companies don’t want to post a salary number is all things aren’t equal: they have far more information on pay than you do…

Also they might be underpaying their current staff.

Just remember that these employers underpaying their staff are going to be the first ones on HN saying how unions are not needed because pay is already high in the tech world.

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Post by mdorazio »

badcppdev wrote: post #164
alexiaa wrote: post #102

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> if you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application i mean it's nice to get a response as soon as possible but this seems completely unrealistic... it seems perfectly normal to expect a wait of a few days or weeks to me

If a customer rang would you pick up the phone right away? Why not treat your potential staff as more important than any of your customers? Which is harder to acquire? Customers or Staff?

> Which is harder to acquire? Customers or Staff?

Customers. By far.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by wendyshu »

SamWhited wrote: post #16

A friend of mine asked about one of these recently and they wouldn't give him a salary range, so he reported them to the attorney general and they immediately put one on their website. Can't hurt to ask (although in that case they may only give it to you, if they do, move on to step 2 anyways), then if they don't update it report them and you'll be doing everyone else a favor too.

Is there a link for reporting to the attorney general?

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Post by runako »

wintogreen74 wrote: post #189
indymike wrote: post #105

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I routinely hire developers in 24 hours from initial contact. It's fun watching them get random recruiter calls two or three weeks later. "I'm not interested, I STARTED my new job three weeks ago. No, I'm not willing to leave for that. Have a nice day." Except the "Have a nice day" part is usually less friendly and polite.

How can either side get an accurate assessment of the other in such a short time? I was hired by my current employer in less than 2 weeks from initial conversation and it was a bit of a smell that they weren't more thorough. Now I'm a hiring manager and am a little concerned with what I feel are "loose" practices that let too many marginal candidates through because otherwise "it's too hard to source talent". For me…

Consider the number of hours you actually spend interacting with a candidate during the interview process. If it's 40(!), bring them in for a full week and decide at the end of Friday. If it's closer to 10, bring them in Monday morning and decide by close of business Tuesday.

All the delays are materially the fault of glitches in the hiring organization.

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