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Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

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Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#131

"TikTok is digital fentanyl that’s addicting Americans, collecting troves of their data, and censoring their news." Is the conclusion that all forms of digital fentanyl should be banned or just Chinese ones? Because the reality is there's nothing too exceptional about TikTok's underlying algorithms. Will lawmakers be willing enact legislation against companies marketing similar "digital fentanyl" but that are America…

China is also suppling the world and the US with very cheap fentanyl.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The shade that comes with shiny black boots happily goosestepping down Constitution Avenue NW.

What does that even mean? You think tiktok will lead to Chinese invasion? What a complete hyperbole, might as well restrict every civil liberty then since they will obviously all help our future Chinese invaders! Maybe I didn't understand your comment though.

> Maybe I didn't understand your comment though.

Yes, you have misunderstood.

GP asked what shade of gray goes with US gov running appstore. I responded with a fascist imagery - gray uniforms and black boots. [Those would be certain Americans wearing boots ..]

I agree with GP that taking a totalitarian regime (CPC's China) as a role model is not the right choice for us, at all.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#133
post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Ultimately US tech firms didn't make effort to follow PRC regulations while PRC tech firms tries to follow US regulations. If goal is to kick PRC platforms out of US i.e. when current rules doesn't generate desired outcome, change the rules to at least uphold the pretense that US cares about "rules based order". It's an optics issue. If US wants to ban tiktok, better to proceed via a less authoritarian lawfare route, because unilateral sanctions (which even PRC hasn't done on US platforms) are more likely to invite blowback down the line when other countries want to curtail US platforms in the future. But short term it's the optics, US going HAM on sanctions/export controls, especially ones that affect rest of world - which I'm guessing longterm goal is to get TikTok off Android/iOS - makes US behaviour much worse than PRC in terms of extraterritorial shenanigans.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#134
post #7

Why not regulate how the data is used or stored, like the EU does, but ban? I'm really hoping this doesn't become a reality because if it does, we will end up with partitioned internet and stagnation. People often forget that the US companies are foreign entity for most of the worlds population and with the WikiLeaks revelations we know for a fact that the US government has access to the data of American tech compani…

US Tech firms products are largely banned in China, closing off a market of 1bn+ - why should Chinese firms have unfettered access to the US?

Is that really true? I am pretty sure that as long as the data is in China and your tech doesn't connect to other countries you are free to use US tech to do business in China. I think this is how Google and Uber did it when they operated in China, they used the same code but had different infra.

Which is why this seems quite strange to me because TikTok China content doesn't show up on the western TikTok because they are completely separate.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#135
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because China is not a good example to follow. It is a dystopian state with full control of what their citizens have access to. Why would you want to have your government to choose the apps for you?

Ah, it's the old slippery-slope argument again. I'm fine with banning all apps from countries that require their app-makers to share data with the government. If that requires an international treaty to codify when a company must share data (e.g. only with a criminal warrant), then great, let's do that. China would refuse to sign that treaty? Even better.

So, you will ban apps from ~all other countries.

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#136
I see this as being inevitable. TikTok and ByteDance are secretly mocking us and ignoring our laws. They keep claiming that the transfer of Americans data to the U.S. is "in progress" and I believe the whole thing is an insider company joke. In the meantime they simply keep pilfering and abusing our data.

What's worse, unscrupulous advertisers are actually taking disadvantage of their illegal behavior to advertise to minors and to track and profile them, which is against the law.

The sooner TikTok is banned the better!!

Re: Bipartisan Legislation to Ban TikTok

#140

I don’t understand the bi-partisan dislike of Tik Tok. As far as content goes, it’s pretty wholesome compared to what you see on movies and TV these days. It’s much better at giving kids age appropriate content than other sites. There is also a lot less commercialized stuff. Way better than cartoons that peddle toys and junk.

When I first signed up for TikTok it showed me stuff to figure out what I would like. It showed me some of the most racist humor I'd heard since I was a boy in the deep south. If I'd liked it, it would have shown me more and more and more of it. As it is, I don't see it now because the algo feeds me stuff I actually like.

I do think there's a content problem on TikTok, but I think it's hidden away from the people who would point it out due to the way the algo works.

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