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Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by timwaagh »

indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

This is really besides the point and in this context seems to argue it would be fine to break the law if it were beneficial, it just happens that it's not the case.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by googlryas »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #166
googlryas wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just in a Walgreens near Boulder a few days ago and noticed that they were advertising for pharmacy assistants and didn't post their salary range, and also didn't list it even after I went to sign up online for the job. So I have to guess a lot of employers are disregarding the law. I was also disappointed when I found out there wasn't a particularly easy way to report the violation to the state. It could just…

If I search for job listings for Boulder, CO or Colorado, US on Walgreens' website, I get zero results. It did pop up with New York City job listings, like this one: https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/job/new-york/duane-reade-shift... Which do not list the pay range, but have tiny text at the bottom that says >To see the salary range for this position please click here: Pay Transparency Duane Reade Shift Leader . https://…

Check the site "walgreens.jobs", the listings are still there.

Here's a photo I took of the posting: https://i.imgur.com/jSl1Rjk.png

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by hosh »

indymike wrote: post #109
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the truth is that unemployment did not go up in November. Do you have a source on this that breaks out unemployment by sector? 100k tech sector layoffs could be easily overshadowed by holiday season retail hiring.

You can dive through US DOL JOLTS report if you want to understand this. Big tech did layoffs. IT departments still need people.

While both IT and engineering jobs in Big Tech involve computer technology, IT tends to be a cost center while Big Tech’s engineering groups are profit centers. (Or supposed to be).

It would be interesting to compare the unemployment numbers to comp.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Osiris wrote: post #69
josefresco wrote: post #4

I found an example on today's front page (Rutter): https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/rutter/7b222f5f-cd46-4592-9cf8-6cd1... No salary range posted, job is in NYC.

NY is not the only state that requires jobs postings to include salary ranges.

NY state does not require job postings to include salary ranges, only New York City (and technically not for all job postings).

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by TimPC »

For me the initial response time isn’t the biggest deal (and I’m surprised the effect size of a single day delay is so large). What matters more is having a quick turnaround whenever I give you a set of times from my schedule. Companies are so bad at this that I’ve started giving them only fractions of my available time (which makes it harder to schedule interviews). I’m not sure what the solution is because I can’t give you 100% of my available time if you are going to sit on it for three days before scheduling. I’m talking to other employers and need to schedule things with them too.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

varispeed wrote: post #151

Are salary ranges actually meaningful? To be fair I don't reply to an offer that does not state the pay, but I've been a victim of bait and switch many times. Notably, when going through all the interview stages and being told I have been accepted only to find out in the contract that the salary is much different from what has been offered. They were hoping that I would agree given I have invested so much time going…

At the very least, the bottom of the pay range is very meaningful to help filter out jobs and save time for everyone.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by Simon_O_Rourke »

indymike wrote: post #78

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

Thanks for posting those recruiting stats, they certainly seem to hold true from what I've seen.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Post by shkkmo »

Dracophoenix wrote: post #169
xnorswap wrote: post #48

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

OP is likely referring to the "Who is Hiring?" posts. Those offerings are user-generated and likely fall under Section 230. Even if that weren't the case, New York City has no juridiction over a company's speech in the Bay Area.

They clearly are not given the explicit mention of these being YC companies combined with the lack of the ability to comment on the posts, which is only ever true of the special job postings from YC companies that get placed on the front page without needing to be upvoted.

They are also clear that they are talking about companies based in NYC that are clearly required to follow NY law.

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