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Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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Probably because the USDC is being held in a real bank account controlled by some unknown 3rd party who lives in some country without an extradition treaty. Gives you a warm, fuzzy, secure feeling that everything is perfectly safe doesn't it?

how can USDC be held in a real bank account? doesnt make sense

No, it doesn't --- unless they redeem them for USD.

I doubt there is anything preventing Binance from doing whatever they want with the coins you place in their possession.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

Yes, it's digital already. However banks manage the whole system and they can do whatever they want with your money if you are nobody. I have been waiting for 2 and a half months for an international payment via SWIFT, I worked long hours for that money and I needed it urgently. The money left the sender's account 2 and a half months ago. Neither of us has the money in our accounts while the bank tells us to just wai…

It seems FTX was perfectly able to do whatwver they wanted, through Alameda, with customer deposits as well. Banks on the other are much better regulated, and for very valid reasons as current events show.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#113

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Stablecoins have totally valid use cases in the crypto ecosystem that don’t involve skirting regulations. People want something that isn’t volatile. It takes days to deposit and withdraw actual USD from exchanges and requires centralized entities that charge fees (or are totally untrustworthy as we’ve seen). Contracts and dapps can hold and interact with USDC to create useful applications that aren’t just speculative…

Morgan Stanley ised to take a couple of days as well to wire Euros to my bank account. Never ever was that an issue, or something I wanted to solve by using an almast-but-not-really Euro, or Dollar.

It’s not really any less of a dollar than any other dollar is. All of our digital dollars are just bank liabilities. Circle and Tether are just banks with dollar liabilities. Their liabilities can be transferred on crypto networks rather than traditional bank wires.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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I'm not defending Binance in any way, but this is FUD that is getting blown out of the water (arguably, people are on edge these days). It was pre-announced downtime for a hardfork on their BSC chain. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602510004795367424 It has caused a bit of a bank run and cz says things are processing just fine (along with tons of 3rd party confirmations). https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status…

"A bit of a bank run" is like saying "a small nuclear bomb".

You can't get a little bit pregnant

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#115

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I know HN wants to see crypto die in a giant ball of flaming fire, Or maybe crypto has always been a "giant ball of flaming fire" and HN is just trying to discourage people from throwing real money into it.

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That's right, HN has authority ... and you are a real psychologist.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#116

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More like they trusted two (well actually three if you count US gov) centralized entities instead of one. It's like asking permission from both momma and pappa to eat desert. They should have just depended on the single entity backing USDC rather than putting themselves in a situation where they'd be also be fucked if Binance froze by leaving their tokens on exchange. When you put USD backed stablecoin on exchange yo…

> America decided dollars should float in the 70s, and most of the world followed. Except that a bunch of countries in Europe went back to pegged currency with the Euro[1]. Part of the reason the 2008 crisis hit countries like Italy, Greece, and Ireland so hard. --- 1. Yes - the Euro is not technically pegged; but effectively, it's the same thing. Each individual country in the Eurozone can't engage in independent mo…

I mean, the US Dollar is a "pegged" currency under that definition too. A while ago I read an economic analysis that said the US would optimally have five regional currencies (instead of the single one that it has today) to account for internal trade and wealth imbalances.

What makes the US dollar work in practice is the active role the federal government takes to internally rebalance the economy through taxation and spending, particularly with defense spending and social programs like Social Security, Medicare, and the FDIC. People in wealthier states (including myself) like to complain that we get a bad deal because we get less back from the federal government than we pay in but that's a crucial feature of the system that keeps it from getting too unbalanced.

Additionally, in the US the federal government (for all practical purposes) is not required to maintain a balanced budget while the state governments are. This constrains the ability of state governments to issue too much debt while still providing a relief valve for emergency spending needed during economic downturns or other crisis (such as the COVID-19 pandemic).

I expect that sooner rather than later the countries that have adopted the Euro will evolve a similar system, shifting the bulk of the costs of their social programs (pensions, unemployment insurance, medical care, banking insurance, etc.) to the EU itself and giving the EU the power to tax and borrow as needed to maintain those programs. It will be a hard sell to Europe's wealthier economies, since it would be a major transfer of their wealth to Europe's poorer economies, but I suspect a future crisis will force their hands if the alternative is the dissolution of the EU (Brexit has shown everyone how badly leaving the EU can hurt).

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#117

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More likely it's reacting to inflation data.

Yeah, this is almost certainly what's going on. Lower inflation has juiced up its price in the past, same with stocks. Several of my stock holdings are up the same amount as Bitcoin is today.

Makes sense. It’s an iNfLatIon hEdGe.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#118
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The moment you halt withdrawals, the jig is up.

I'm no crypto expert here, admittedly. Isn't the point of decentralization to avoid this level of control? It's like the crypto 'investor' response is "Decentralization...that's not so important. What we really want is sheer, unaltered speculation."

Bitcoin has continued clearing transactions throughout, just as it always has since its creation.

Crypto != Bitcoin.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> America decided dollars should float in the 70s, and most of the world followed. Except that a bunch of countries in Europe went back to pegged currency with the Euro[1]. Part of the reason the 2008 crisis hit countries like Italy, Greece, and Ireland so hard. --- 1. Yes - the Euro is not technically pegged; but effectively, it's the same thing. Each individual country in the Eurozone can't engage in independent mo…

In terms of the Euro, I find it more useful to view the Eurozone as somewhat similar to the US. There's one central monetary policy for really large economies that in a different environment, would have liked to do things independently. It's especially relevant now as US states have GDPs comparable to the Eurozone constituent nations.

> In terms of the Euro, I find it more useful to view the Eurozone as somewhat similar to the US. There's one central monetary policy for really large economies that in a different environment, would have liked to do things independently. It's especially relevant now as US states have GDPs comparable to the Eurozone constituent nations.

There is an enormous difference, though: internal mobility/identity.

Germans tend to strongly prefer living in Germany. Greeks tend to strongly prefer living in Greece.

People in Oregon and New Hampshire tend not to have very strong affection for their state.

Which means that, if one area is economically depressed at the same time that another area is booming, the problem tends to sort itself out as people move from the struggling area and to the prosperous one.

In Europe, that just doesn't happen to nearly the same extent.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#120

> Binance Coin — a native token that is seen as reflecting customers' trust in the exchange — had slipped 5.12% to trade at just under $269 at last check Tuesday

The most painful thing in my life is the fact I was sitting there thinking about putting 500-5000 usd into BNB at its token launch (for fractions of a penny), literally filling out KYC forms but ultimately felt it felt too risky to wire money overseas to a nascent Chinese crypto exchange. But then again, my risk aversion / caution in life has probably saved my life from car accidents or overdose so ehh whatever.

And you probably would have cashed out at a 10x multiple or whatever, so it’s not like you’d be a zillionaire today anyway.
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