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Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#161

You should stop making YC responsible for what any single portfolio company is doing. That's straight out hilarious. After the firms are out of batch they are independent and autonomous organizations.

It wasn't a single company, it has been a pattern for a while - that's why I made the post.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#162

The real question is why HN is filled with people that have values completely orthogonal to the VC space, like people wanting to leverage the law to make other people do things.

Truthfully I wish HN were detached from the VC culture altogether. There's plenty of good tech discussion here that isn't related to founding companies. This whole idea that founders and capitalists contribute some special sauce to society and therefore shouldn't be regulated is some old fart libertarian Randian fantasy silliness and I'm glad it's being called out. That sort of thing just doesn't work in civilized so…

Yes! This site can be extremely toxic because of the VC bent.

If someone made a competitor that had just-as-good tech discussion without the VC “value-add”, I’d never come here ever again.

I also like seeing so many of the ruling class get angry and post about requiring salary ranges, it’s been very entertaining this morning :)

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#163

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> HN and other public forums for job postings do not have to enforce the law I don’t think Hacker News faces liability for posting non-compliant ads. (Not a lawyer!) But if it turns out to be a trove of them, HN’s essentially a honey pot. > any actual cases brought for enforcement will end up in court in NYC Precisely what you want your early-stage portfolio dealing with.

The way the law reads it looks like someone has to file a complaint. I doubt the NYC Commission on Human Rights has the manpower to scour the internet for violations. Agree that investors should not tolerate illegal behavior from their portfolio companies, but realistically VCs can't manage every day-to-day detail of their portfolio. And even when they do get involved they can't always control the management -- see U…

> doubt the NYC Commission on Human Rights has the manpower to scour the internet for violations

New York City has no shortage of investigators with overlapping jurisdiction looking for troves of targets.

> VCs can't manage every day-to-day detail of their portfolio

These are job postings on Hacker News!

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#164

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> if you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application i mean it's nice to get a response as soon as possible but this seems completely unrealistic... it seems perfectly normal to expect a wait of a few days or weeks to me

If a customer rang would you pick up the phone right away?

Why not treat your potential staff as more important than any of your customers?

Which is harder to acquire? Customers or Staff?

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#165

I've been in the job board / HR Tech space for a while, and every time I see a state pass a law requiring advertising the salary range, I'm reminded of a few facts: * Showing your salary range as long as it is at market wage or higher delivers 14% more applicants. It is a good idea to show salary on job ads. * If you don't give the job board a salary range, they will use tools like salary.com or their own tools to sh…

> A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. I've noticed my interest in a job tends to drop consistently the longer it takes for a response. This isn't surprising at all. I don't think it's because we're fickle, it's more that right when you apply you can picture what it mig…

More importantly, as I remind my mentees, it's is an excellent signal for true interest. Nothing burns more than getting your hopes up and investing hours/days into a job interview process only to find out you were not the preferred candidate. This stings a bit if you don't get the job, becomes seriously annoying when it surfaces during compensation negotiation, and can be disastrous for your career and personal life if it surfaces post-hiring.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#166
post #61

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This has been law in Colorado for 2 years and applies to anyone offering jobs to any Colorado resident including remote jobs. The law passed in 2019 and went into effect Jan 1, 2021.

I was just in a Walgreens near Boulder a few days ago and noticed that they were advertising for pharmacy assistants and didn't post their salary range, and also didn't list it even after I went to sign up online for the job. So I have to guess a lot of employers are disregarding the law. I was also disappointed when I found out there wasn't a particularly easy way to report the violation to the state. It could just…

If I search for job listings for Boulder, CO or Colorado, US on Walgreens' website, I get zero results.

It did pop up with New York City job listings, like this one:

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/job/new-york/duane-reade-shift...

Which do not list the pay range, but have tiny text at the bottom that says

>To see the salary range for this position please click here: Pay Transparency Duane Reade Shift Leader .

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/paydrsfl

And then if you search for similar positions, you get:

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/paypht

https://jobs.walgreens.com/en/payhsrph

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#167

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It's deeply bizarre to me that there are so many posters on here who think a fund that: 1) invests in, 2) advises, and 3) provides free job advertising to; various startups, has no responsibility to advise them to follow the law when posting those job advertisements on that fund's own job board . I understand the ones who raise the possibility that some of these aren't, in fact, breaking the law, for one reason or an…

Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Never assume someone will do the right or legal thing, regardless of status or PR. Can’t explain the Stockholm Syndrome (“but the ones who seem to take offense at the notion that YC might have even a sliver of responsibility here”), people can be emotional, irrational creatures due to life experience and belief systems. But Sequoia lost $200M on a fraud having done zero due diligence, s…

I'm glad this took off. I think some of the posts were fixed!! :)

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#168
post #146

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> * If you advertise a job respond to applicants quickly - as in within minutes of the application. A single day of delay in response causes 28% of candidates to become unresponsive to recruiters (this is from our company's research). It drops to 51% become unresponsive 48 hours later. My experience with being hired at non-FAANG places over a career of more than two decades is that I'm usually through a process and h…

I have been through a process that took 4 months, from start to end, with almost two months of silence between. The only reason I knew I wasn't rejected was I had a friend on the inside.

I've been on the other side of a hiring process like that.

It literally went like this:

"Oh shit, didn't we interview so and so for that like 3 weeks ago? Oops! Are they still available?"

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#169

To those who think it's not YC / HN's problem, you're missing that HN literally has a Job Board: https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs This is a core part of their offering, it's not just user generated content, it's YC companies posting on YC's job board.

OP is likely referring to the "Who is Hiring?" posts. Those offerings are user-generated and likely fall under Section 230. Even if that weren't the case, New York City has no juridiction over a company's speech in the Bay Area.

Re: Ask HN: Why are some YC startups not posting salary ranges when law requires it?

#170
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has been law in Colorado for 2 years and applies to anyone offering jobs to any Colorado resident including remote jobs. The law passed in 2019 and went into effect Jan 1, 2021.

It would be interesting to see if remote jobs were posted with a qualifier that they weren't available to potential employees living in those states. I just always wonder about inverse effects for this type of thing.

There were or are remote job listings that excluded people living in Colorado. Any any new job listing could choose to exclude residents of NYC/CO/WA/CA.

Pretty good signal of a less desirable employer though.

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