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Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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This might be why BTC is shooting up at the moment. If you can't withdraw your stable coins you might as well buy Bitcoin and withdraw that.

More likely it's reacting to inflation data.

Yeah, this is almost certainly what's going on. Lower inflation has juiced up its price in the past, same with stocks.

Several of my stock holdings are up the same amount as Bitcoin is today.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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USDC is supposed to be the good stablecoin.

If you give me 100 USDC and I pinky promise to give them back but then I don't, whose fault is it? USDC's?

They are one of the exchanges prominently listed by Circle as part of its ecosystem. Of course the fine print says that they don't endorse any of the companies they list, but what does it say about the ecosystem if they can't even list one trustworthy partner and instead list groups they explicitly don't trust themselves?

Honest coin salesman: Look you want to trade honest coins? Down that alley is seedy Joe he is one of the local traders, on a good day there is only a 50% chance that he will mug you.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> yoh are referring to a hypothetical future I’m referring to the present state of their reserves. A present state which almost deterministically implies a future state under certain conditions.

You’re still wrong though. Do these companies likely have reserves to back their coins? No. Are the pegs currently holding just fine? Yes. Will the pegs fall at some point in the future? Maybe? Hopefully? But this statement is irrelevant to observing the current state of the pegs.

> Do these companies likely have reserves to back their coins? No. Are the pegs currently holding just fine? Yes.

Fair enough. (Though I’m unconvinced of the value of a peg that can’t be redeemed against, à la Tether.)

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

> US dollar-like liquidity and value preservation without US dollar financial regulation. Or in other words, they'd like the benefits of regulation without the costs of regulation. Which I certainly appreciate. As a child my plan for adulthood was desserts all the time, no vegetables ever.

More like they trusted two (well actually three if you count US gov) centralized entities instead of one. It's like asking permission from both momma and pappa to eat desert. They should have just depended on the single entity backing USDC rather than putting themselves in a situation where they'd be also be fucked if Binance froze by leaving their tokens on exchange.

When you put USD backed stablecoin on exchange you're trusting

1) Exchange won't fail

2) Backers won't fail

3) US gov won't fail

Any single one fail and you're fucked. America decided dollars should float in the 70s, and most of the world followed. IMO sooner or later crypto will end up all floating because pegging relies on centralized points of failure and eventually people will tire of getting wiped out.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

I think there is an important missing part of this argument that many of the current paths to move dollars around that network in the traditional system take either days to settle and/or cost quite a lot in fees. I see crypto having potential to optimize lots of things and introduce extra trust from a technical infrastructure standpoint. Right now my traditional money is sitting in several digital banks or brokerages…

You can absolutely regulate towards the goal of affordable, instantaneous money transfers within the context of the traditional finance system. The EU has done just that with SEPA (Single Euro Payments Area).

Here's the SEPA instant credit transfer service (maximum duration of ten seconds): https://www.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu/what-we-do/sepa-insta...

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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I'm not defending Binance in any way, but this is FUD that is getting blown out of the water (arguably, people are on edge these days). It was pre-announced downtime for a hardfork on their BSC chain. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602510004795367424 It has caused a bit of a bank run and cz says things are processing just fine (along with tons of 3rd party confirmations). https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status…

>I'm not defending Binance in any way, but this is FUD that is getting blown out of the water (arguably, people are on edge these days). It was pre-announced downtime for a hardfork on their BSC chain.

>https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602510004795367424

>It has caused a bit of a bank run and cz says things are processing just fine (along with tons of 3rd party confirmations).

>https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602676998094069760

>I know HN wants to see crypto die in a giant ball of flaming fire, but let's not lower ourselves to the point of just passing on FUD.

>Edit: -4 incoming. I'm going to leave this here because it is worth it. I'm not a fan of FUD and neither should you be.

I'm going to quote this full comment for posterity's sake, but I also think that you're a bit confused. You say that "it was pre-announced downtime" and cite a tweet from yesterday that says "Also done now. All resumed". In point of fact, withdrawals are not resumed, and a tweet from CZ today confirms that withdrawals are down and they're waiting for a US bank to open[1].

Edit: Shit, Binance themselves even admit this is because of a token swap, not planned downtime[2]. How is this FUD?

Edit 2: Withdrawals back online as of ~5 minutes prior to my comment[3].

[1]https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602579499903852544

[2]https://twitter.com/binance/status/1602579775721283584

[3]https://twitter.com/binance/status/1602708590271385600

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

> I'm frankly amazed that people with the ability to understand this alphabet soup mumbo jumbo keep falling for the same scam over and over again.

They say a lot of words but they don't understand them. Also greed and pride.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> Binance Coin — a native token that is seen as reflecting customers' trust in the exchange — had slipped 5.12% to trade at just under $269 at last check Tuesday

The most painful thing in my life is the fact I was sitting there thinking about putting 500-5000 usd into BNB at its token launch (for fractions of a penny), literally filling out KYC forms but ultimately felt it felt too risky to wire money overseas to a nascent Chinese crypto exchange.

But then again, my risk aversion / caution in life has probably saved my life from car accidents or overdose so ehh whatever.

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