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Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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I'm not defending Binance in any way, but this is FUD that is getting blown out of the water (arguably, people are on edge these days). It was pre-announced downtime for a hardfork on their BSC chain. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602510004795367424 It has caused a bit of a bank run and cz says things are processing just fine (along with tons of 3rd party confirmations). https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status…

"A bit of a bank run" is like saying "a small nuclear bomb".

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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Yikes. This could be the first inning of the Tether bubble deflating, and by extension half the crypto market.

Half is optimistic. Tether destabilizing probably drops all crypto over 90%. Don't think it will happen, necessarily, but it's largely the only thing keeping crypto together at this point, price-wise.

Do you mean it's the only thing... tethering crypto together?

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

You could say the same thing about Eurodollars-- "US Dollar" denominated assets that are held in banks outside the United States and not subject to US Bank regulations. The size of this market is more than 10x all of crypto.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

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> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

Not saying the rest of your comment is right or wrong but this part sticks out: > It's traded the world over by almost every country whether they want to or not. You can buy almost anything there is to buy with US dollars. That's definitely not true. Most places in the world, I'd wager, do not accept USD, as you seem to think. I can't even begin to count the times I've seen clueless American tourists in South America…

Lol almost no one in South America is laughing at USD. I've been to 3 of the 4 continents you mention and spent USD directly in all of them but Europe. Hello in many south america countries you get better prices even adjusted for true exchange rate because no one wants dog-shit and it saves them a trip to the money-trader before their money turns into kindling.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#65

> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

Wait...they're refusing to allow on-chain transfer of USDC from their custodial account to a customer's wallet? I assumed this was about exchange of USDC to fiat, hence the hand waving about banks.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#66

I'm not defending Binance in any way, but this is FUD that is getting blown out of the water (arguably, people are on edge these days). It was pre-announced downtime for a hardfork on their BSC chain. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1602510004795367424 It has caused a bit of a bank run and cz says things are processing just fine (along with tons of 3rd party confirmations). https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status…

I know HN wants to see crypto die in a giant ball of flaming fire,

Or maybe crypto has always been a "giant ball of flaming fire" and HN is just trying to discourage people from throwing real money into it.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#67

> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

Not saying the rest of your comment is right or wrong but this part sticks out: > It's traded the world over by almost every country whether they want to or not. You can buy almost anything there is to buy with US dollars. That's definitely not true. Most places in the world, I'd wager, do not accept USD, as you seem to think. I can't even begin to count the times I've seen clueless American tourists in South America…

I don't think the parent comment was referring to buying an ice cream cone, but rather things traded on the open market.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#68

> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

I think there is an important missing part of this argument that many of the current paths to move dollars around that network in the traditional system take either days to settle and/or cost quite a lot in fees. I see crypto having potential to optimize lots of things and introduce extra trust from a technical infrastructure standpoint. Right now my traditional money is sitting in several digital banks or brokerages…

The credit card companies have built trust with merchants around the world that they'll settle up eventually, and that anyone (or most people) carrying their cards will pay their bills. If a cryptocurrency system were to try to supplant that, it'd need a form of revolving credit. I want to pay my bills at the end of the month, not immediately.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#69

> The world's biggest crypto exchange will freeze all withdrawals of USD Coin while it conducts a "token swap" to boost its holdings of the dollar-pegged cryptocurrency, the crypto group's CEO Changpeng Zhao said Tuesday It's worth noting that USDC is not even a token controlled by Binance. It's controlled and issued by Circle. So effectively, Binance is refusing to honor its commitment to depositors to give them the…

You could say the same thing about Eurodollars-- "US Dollar" denominated assets that are held in banks outside the United States and not subject to US Bank regulations. The size of this market is more than 10x all of crypto.

You could an you'd be right. Although, then you are trading one regulatory body for another, which you can do pretty freely with currency trading.

Crypto is where you go if you don't want any regulatory bodies at all.

Re: Binance freezes withdrawals of stablecoin USDC as investors pull $2B

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you give me 100 USDC and I pinky promise to give them back but then I don't, whose fault is it? USDC's?

Really it depends on why you didn’t / couldn’t.

It doesn't, if I give exchange a coin, no matter it's relative value fluctuations to other assets I should still be able to withdraw the same coin back.
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