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Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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Wild guess: Bell, Rogers, and Telus probably wouldn't allow it because they couldn't milk Canadians for as much then

Why? In the US program the government pays for them. What kind of business would turn that down? Looks like the CRTC mandates cheap plans the mobile companies offer free phone and plans too. https://www.telus.com/en/about/news-and-events/media-release...

Which works about as well as the IRS Free File program in the US.

Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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I have both YubiKey and SMS 2FA active on my Google account. However, for SMS purposes I got an extra phone number that nobody knows (well, nobody but me, Google and my phone provider) and that is inactive except when (A) I need to use it for 2FA purposes or (B) I need to top it up to keep it in service (which is every 6 months, approximately). Is there still a risk of someone cloning my simcard even though I did not…

Be careful that the provider doesn't disable that number after 1-2 years without any activity.

Do they really disable paid-up numbers if nothing connects to them for a year?

Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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post #248

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How much are you paying for this service you need google to fix? I ask because with their paid email products there are a fair number of routes to get help, your admin, then if that doesn't work you can go up the chain... If you are on a free account you may not be (individually) worth a ton to google revenue wise and so support is going to be poor (they have 1.8billion+ ACTIVE gmail users I think - if they increase…

It's pretty tone-deaf to tell someone who's posted about being poor and previously homeless that they should have to pay Google $500 to recover their account.

Honestly to be expected here. I opened up about my own homelessness while being employed in my field of study for over 20 years. I received a bunch of vitriol and downvotes for my honesty. If ever you need a reminder that you are surrounded by "anarcho-capitalists" just scroll through any HN comments field pertaining to the intersection of ethics and the economy.

Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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Be careful that the provider doesn't disable that number after 1-2 years without any activity.

Do they really disable paid-up numbers if nothing connects to them for a year?

With pay as you go they do. Usually six months. Paying more in resets the timer.

Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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Yes!!! This has happened to me before. I entered my TOTP and then Google forced me to open YouTube on my phone. I didn't have YouTube (I deleted it), so I had to re-installed the YouTube app and sign in through that before I could login to whatever I was initially trying to do.

This makes absolutely beyond zero sense given how Google accounts work on Android, or just in general.

I have an iPhone, but it still makes no sense. I wish I could opt-out of authenticating through Google's apps and just use my TOTP. It's annoying.

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You need the password too. That's what makes it two factor.

If one of the factors is widely known, it's effectively not two-factor anymore.

Yea but the chances of some dude in Bangladesh finding out your 2fa code because you lost your wallet approaches 0%. Joe Blow from Kentucky ain’t gonna be the one stealing your account.

Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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post #111

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The trick isn't to disable 2FA. It's to add a bunch of 2FA methods that don't rely on your cell phone: authenticator app, yubi keys, backup codes.

This is terrible advice. Please don't ever rely on authenticator apps. Try changing your phone, resetting your phone or losing your phone and watch yourself get locked out of your accounts with absolutely no recourse.

There are authenticator apps that backup up your 2FA accounts. I've been using Authy for years and have switched phones at least 5 times with it. I believe the Microsoft authenticator app also backs everything up to your Microsoft account.

Re: Ask HN: If I get locked out of everything, please try to help me

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This is terrible advice. Please don't ever rely on authenticator apps. Try changing your phone, resetting your phone or losing your phone and watch yourself get locked out of your accounts with absolutely no recourse.

I agree, auth apps actually work relatively painlessly for day-to-day (especially if someone else supports them, like at work), but for me at least, as a personally managed last resort they turned out horrible. If something happens to the device(s), you're screwed. Even SMS is better, because at least you can move the sim or eventually recover your own phone number on a brand new device, even if the old one vanished.…

Swapping SIM cards to a new phone often doesn't work. Did you not read the OP?

> So my phone has been failing to charge for three weeks and I bought a new phone today and can't get it set up because the old one is dead and I can't get a verification code. So I moved the old sim card on the advice of one of my sons and the codes are still going to the old physical phone and Google says it will send me a link in 72 hours.

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