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SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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The most interest aspect in the FTX saga, for me, is that SBF was treated very gently by major news outlets (and maybe by government regulators too)... until regular individuals in social media started asking: Why is SBF being treated so kindly? Why would journalists (and regulators) assume that SBF meant well? A possible answer that no one ever mentions is that SBF possesses many qualities that are valued and admire…

> The most interest aspect in the FTX saga, for me, is that SBF was treated very gently by major news outlets (and maybe by government regulators too)... until regular individuals in social media started asking: Why is SBF being treated so kindly? Why would journalists (and regulators) assume that SBF meant well?

This wasn't universally true. See the VICE coverage for example.

The "old" media bought into SBF in exactly the same way it bought into Elizabeth Holmes, presumably for some of the same reasons. They have a strong bias/gravity towards covering "wunderkind" entrepreneurs, and they do "access journalism" with these people. It's more about their personal lives and personalities, because that's the story that always sells.

In addition, most outlets (including the NYT) have had a massive blind spot into how shady everything in the crypto space really is. They've long bought the bullshit, and many of their "crypto reporters" are unquestioning crypto bros who basically are industry mouthpieces rather than real journalists. So in a sense they're actually complicit in all the scams and losses, because they've boosted the fiction that "crypto" is somehow legitimate.

One has to hope that a corner has finally turned here, and SBF's highly visible fall will cause these "old" outlets to start doing actual real journalism on the whole "industry" rather than just fluff pieces and boosterism.

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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post #107
post #82

The most interest aspect in the FTX saga, for me, is that SBF was treated very gently by major news outlets (and maybe by government regulators too)... until regular individuals in social media started asking: Why is SBF being treated so kindly? Why would journalists (and regulators) assume that SBF meant well? A possible answer that no one ever mentions is that SBF possesses many qualities that are valued and admire…

> The most interest aspect in the FTX saga, for me, is that SBF was treated very gently by major news outlets (and maybe by government regulators too)... until regular individuals in social media started asking: Why is SBF being treated so kindly? Why would journalists (and regulators) assume that SBF meant well? I went through a few examples people brought up of journalists supposedly treating Bankman-Fried kindly t…

crypto community seems to be trying really hard to deflect from the fallout of yet another major crypto scam

For the last few months, any time something bad happens with FTX, there are dozens of people who show up complaining that the media went easy on SBF. They most often use the word "puff" or the phrase "puff piece," as if the comments were all written by the same bot farm.

Then when someone calls them out on it, they're suddenly silent. Which makes me agree with you that this is people trying to deflect from the greed at the root of this, trying to portray themselves as victims, and if the big media had just given them some warning, they wouldn't have lost billions of dollars.

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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Note that the SEC's is merely a civil action. The federal criminal indictment hasn't been unsealed yet (but should be soon, today [0]). [0] https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-bahamas-unite... ( "We expect to move to unseal the indictment in the morning and will have more to say at that time" )

I believe the federal criminal indictment is public now. [1] - First count: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud to defraud customers. - Second count: Wire fraud on customers. - Third count: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud on lenders. - Fourth count: Wire fraud on lenders. (again, specifically lenders to Alameda) - Fifth count: Conspiracy to commit commodities fraud. - Sixth count: Conspiracy to commit securities fraud. I…

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-63953033 shows counts 7 and 8 as

- Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering

- Conspiracy to Defraud the United States and Violate Campaign Finance Laws

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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Note that the SEC's is merely a civil action. The federal criminal indictment hasn't been unsealed yet (but should be soon, today [0]). [0] https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-bahamas-unite... ( "We expect to move to unseal the indictment in the morning and will have more to say at that time" )

I believe the federal criminal indictment is public now. [1] - First count: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud to defraud customers. - Second count: Wire fraud on customers. - Third count: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud on lenders. - Fourth count: Wire fraud on lenders. (again, specifically lenders to Alameda) - Fifth count: Conspiracy to commit commodities fraud. - Sixth count: Conspiracy to commit securities fraud. I…

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Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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I hope he rots in jail like that other fraudster Madhoff. I'm pretty sure he already saw this coming and moved his assets into his family circle. In addition he probably also set out to destroy incriminating evidence and contacting political proponents to call in favors.

> I'm pretty sure he already saw this coming and moved his assets into his family circle.

That's a mean thing to do. Just ask Madoff's family how that works out.

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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post #82

The most interest aspect in the FTX saga, for me, is that SBF was treated very gently by major news outlets (and maybe by government regulators too)... until regular individuals in social media started asking: Why is SBF being treated so kindly? Why would journalists (and regulators) assume that SBF meant well? A possible answer that no one ever mentions is that SBF possesses many qualities that are valued and admire…

Most of these seem to boil down to "he seemed like a smart guy who knew what he was doing and wanted to help people." That's basic grifting. It seems odd to say that it only works on elites.

Particularly the last. Elites love to help people, unlike common folks who are too selfish to fall for a con like this? That's the opposite of the usual stereotype.

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the federal criminal indictment is public now. [1] - First count: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud to defraud customers. - Second count: Wire fraud on customers. - Third count: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud on lenders. - Fourth count: Wire fraud on lenders. (again, specifically lenders to Alameda) - Fifth count: Conspiracy to commit commodities fraud. - Sixth count: Conspiracy to commit securities fraud. I…

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-63953033 shows counts 7 and 8 as - Conspiracy to Commit Money Laundering - Conspiracy to Defraud the United States and Violate Campaign Finance Laws

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Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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post #82

The most interest aspect in the FTX saga, for me, is that SBF was treated very gently by major news outlets (and maybe by government regulators too)... until regular individuals in social media started asking: Why is SBF being treated so kindly? Why would journalists (and regulators) assume that SBF meant well? A possible answer that no one ever mentions is that SBF possesses many qualities that are valued and admire…

The only thing gentle about how he was treated pre-collapse is that they didn't preface every article with a comparison to MtGox and a disclaimer to avoid the scam.

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

they are referring to this: https://www.coindesk.com/layer2/2022/11/15/lets-talk-about-t...

> “Disgusting complicity on the part of the New York Times. He has ruined countless people's lives by theft and fraud, and NYT is now helping him to delay or evade justice by whitewashing him in their prestigious, influential newspaper. I doubt this is just a mistake on their part,” Zcash co-creator Zooko Wilcox said. This is a dumb take. They did not help him delay or evade anything. One could argue that the old way…

Or maybe the NYT tried, but failed.

Re: SEC Charges Samuel Bankman-Fried with Defrauding Investors in FTX [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most of my friends have increased their twitter usage. it doesn't matter if people use the platform more if they don't pay for the blue check or if advertisers are not interested in paying for ads.

Yes, because marketers don't care about audience size and they have a long history of being strictly moral people.

Marketers care very much about the context their ads appear in, which is why they're leaving Twitter in droves. https://www.npr.org/2022/11/25/1139180002/twitter-loses-50-t...

Musk has already had one public tantrum about it. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560

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