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Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

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Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#51

And yet marijuana is still illegal in my state. The impact of legislation like Citizens United and the outsized influence of large institutions on American politics is really unfortunate.

> the outsized influence of large institutions on American politics is really unfortunate.

The current populist wave has shown that the opposite is true. The threats posed by citizens united were overblown as small dollar donors are generally significantly more radical than large institution.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#52

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Does the UK have those bizarrely obtuse not-an-ad-for-prescription ads like in Canada?

I can't think of any although maybe some erectile dysfunction drugs are (don't know if they're prescription only or not). Otherwise, there's ads for cold remedies, cough medicine and analgesics. The idea of advertising prescription drugs seems bizarre to me as surely you'd want your doctor's opinion, not whatever's on daytime TV

US ads for prescription drugs typically say "ask your doctor about [drug]". I think there's a regulation saying that an ad describing what the drug treats must also discuss risks and side effects, but there are sometimes ads that don't say what the drug is for, merely suggesting anyone watching talk to their doctor about it.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the UK have those bizarrely obtuse not-an-ad-for-prescription ads like in Canada?

I can't think of any although maybe some erectile dysfunction drugs are (don't know if they're prescription only or not). Otherwise, there's ads for cold remedies, cough medicine and analgesics. The idea of advertising prescription drugs seems bizarre to me as surely you'd want your doctor's opinion, not whatever's on daytime TV

In my limited experience, you get better results from GP visits if you come with opinions and data about your own conditions and care hopes. They’re too busy; the current system that has forced 10min bookings weeks ahead as the only means of access means it goes better if you do the research for them.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#54
post #20

All drugs should be legalized. That is the only solution. You should be able to buy cocaine, heroin, fentanyl at the local grocery store. No question asked. Maybe even subsidize it for poor people who can't afford market prices. The local pharmacy should provide training on how to inject/consume them safely and give for free the associated consumables.

How do you feel that would lead to less deaths given that the deaths from fent are often (but not always) from an intentional dose of fent? The research here also does not support broad legalization: + https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24456133/ + https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2019/06/medical-marij... Of special note is that opiod deaths increased as legal prescribed opiods were given more freely.

One marvels as to why e.g. Russia or China don't covertly push funds and efforts into drug legalization in the US if that would widely harm its population and weaken it as a whole. But to the best of my knowledge, they apparently don't, so this is a (somewhat weak) argument in favour of legalization.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#55
post #19

The phrase "leading cause of death" has circular reference there. Each article is pointing to the other. I wanted to see where they got that figure. At the bottom of the current article it says "in a provisional tally seven months ago, [The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] calculated the overall number of drug overdoses at 107,622. Two-thirds were due to fentanyl." So fentanyl is the drug most people overd…

It's not laid out explicitly, but you can see the numbers here and pull the 2 textual representations to get the detail:

"Top Ten Leading Causes of Death in the U.S. for Ages 1-44"

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/animated-leading-causes.h...

"Unintentional Injury" holds overdoses, which are called "unintentional poisoning" in the breakdown in the bottom chart.

For 2020:

  80,208 Unintentional Injury deaths
    (consisting of)
    49,643 Unintentional Poisoning deaths 

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#56
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post #20

All drugs should be legalized. That is the only solution. You should be able to buy cocaine, heroin, fentanyl at the local grocery store. No question asked. Maybe even subsidize it for poor people who can't afford market prices. The local pharmacy should provide training on how to inject/consume them safely and give for free the associated consumables.

Wouldn't the more reasonable approach be over-the-counter legalization of a safer opiate? Fent is inherently dangerous because it is difficult to dose safely. Addicts want an opiate, and fent is the cheap and available one.

I think a reboot of Bayer Heroin (tm) would be better received - from my understanding Fentanyl and similar drugs don't have the euphoria or length of effect of OG Diacetylmorphine.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#57

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> So fentanyl is the drug most people overdose on, or is it killing more people than heart diseases, traffic accidents, etc do? The numbers for other types of fatalities are available so you could do a quick comparison: 42,000 motor vehicle fatalities in the US for 2021 (all ages), so way above that Heart disease is more unclear, I mostly found age-adjusted risks/etc. It looks like at best I could find, around ~400,0…

Here is a Snopes article from a year ago that claims to have duplicated the Fox News article using CDC data: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fentanyl-overdose-death/ Interesting that Google searches for this info return RT results

Oh great find! I didn't see that in my search results but might've just had the wrong keywords.

Yeah, I'm not surprised - motor vehicle accidents were always super high on the list for that demographic so if fentanyl is even remotely close to the number reported above it would easily surpass everything else.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#58
post #20

All drugs should be legalized. That is the only solution. You should be able to buy cocaine, heroin, fentanyl at the local grocery store. No question asked. Maybe even subsidize it for poor people who can't afford market prices. The local pharmacy should provide training on how to inject/consume them safely and give for free the associated consumables.

Sure would fix it. By killing them faster

Chemical weapons of personal destruction. What an ingenious invention. And the victims even pay for them!

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't think of any although maybe some erectile dysfunction drugs are (don't know if they're prescription only or not). Otherwise, there's ads for cold remedies, cough medicine and analgesics. The idea of advertising prescription drugs seems bizarre to me as surely you'd want your doctor's opinion, not whatever's on daytime TV

In my limited experience, you get better results from GP visits if you come with opinions and data about your own conditions and care hopes. They’re too busy; the current system that has forced 10min bookings weeks ahead as the only means of access means it goes better if you do the research for them.

I agree, but wouldn't consider watching TV to be meaningful research.

Re: Washington faltered as fentanyl gripped America

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post #20

All drugs should be legalized. That is the only solution. You should be able to buy cocaine, heroin, fentanyl at the local grocery store. No question asked. Maybe even subsidize it for poor people who can't afford market prices. The local pharmacy should provide training on how to inject/consume them safely and give for free the associated consumables.

Opiates used to be unregulated in the US and the US had an opiate addiction issue.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-story-americas...

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