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And how does that aphorism relate to this set of circumstances?
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#13I don't like the witch hunt culture no matter which direction it goes. This whole situation is cringe. However, I'm not convinced by the popular argument explaining why Musk is "wrong" - that he has a "responsibility" when speaking to his 120 million followers that is not shared by anyone he mentions in his speech. This seems arbitrarily restrictive at first glance, because it means anyone can speak about Musk, but h…
The Twitter official wasn't personally attacking Musk. And if your posts have the power to force someone from their home, you do have a moral responsibility to use that power carefully. Musk isn't just saying the official made poor decisions, he's accusing him of far worse.
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He didn't publish it. He tweeted a link to a news article about a court case, in which it was argued that a student-teacher relationship was unethical even though the student was over 18 (the court leaned toward yes, because teachers have power over students while they're enrolled at a school). Would you want me to judge your character based on the headlines of news stories you submit to HN?
If I was debating or even considering the ethics of sex with a student I would expect people to get upset, yes. It would require a severe disconnect from reality for me to think that they wouldn’t.
Roth was not debating or considering the ethics of sex with a student (falsely implying one of his students), he tweeted a link to a news article about a court case involving unusual circumstances.
Musk followed up the initial tweet (from a third party) by tweeting a page from Roth's dissertation, in which he wrote that services like Grindr (a gay dating app) should proactively develop online safety policies because it was very predictable that gay teens who use the internet might attempt to use the app. 'Underage people might use your adult dating app, so you should plan ahead for that' is not promoting the idea of underage people using the app any more than 'buy a fire extinguisher for your home' is advocating for arson.
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So Yoel posted a link to an article published in Salon titled "Student-teacher sex: When is it OK?" which discusses the broad strokes of a legal case and is in no way advocating on behalf of pedophiles. In fact, the case discussed could not be pedophilic because the student in question was 18.
In your mind this means that Yoel maybe doesn't deserve to be threatened, but still he should have expected this?
So how about for yourself? You posted a link to a link to an innocuous article titled "Student-teacher sex: When is it OK?" What were you thinking?
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#18I don't like the witch hunt culture no matter which direction it goes. This whole situation is cringe. However, I'm not convinced by the popular argument explaining why Musk is "wrong" - that he has a "responsibility" when speaking to his 120 million followers that is not shared by anyone he mentions in his speech. This seems arbitrarily restrictive at first glance, because it means anyone can speak about Musk, but h…
The Twitter official wasn't personally attacking Musk. And if your posts have the power to force someone from their home, you do have a moral responsibility to use that power carefully. Musk isn't just saying the official made poor decisions, he's accusing him of far worse.
The idea that speech from anyone should be self-censored because of unpredictable or even predictable responses by others is ridiculous. If that were the standard, no speech would be allowed at all, and even if it was, the rules would be easily gamed and weaponized to prevent people from talking.
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The Twitter official wasn't personally attacking Musk. And if your posts have the power to force someone from their home, you do have a moral responsibility to use that power carefully. Musk isn't just saying the official made poor decisions, he's accusing him of far worse.
The idea that speech from anyone should be self-censored because of unpredictable or even predictable responses by others is ridiculous. If that were the standard, no speech would be allowed at all, and even if it was, the rules would be easily gamed and weaponized to prevent people from talking.
"Self-censoring" over the response to your speech and thinking about the impact of what you say is called judgement. People do this all the time, based on context, power dynamics, etiquette, etc.
I have no power to "weaponize" this, but it's entirely reasonable to question the judgement of how someone uses their speech
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The Twitter official wasn't personally attacking Musk. And if your posts have the power to force someone from their home, you do have a moral responsibility to use that power carefully. Musk isn't just saying the official made poor decisions, he's accusing him of far worse.
The idea that speech from anyone should be self-censored because of unpredictable or even predictable responses by others is ridiculous. If that were the standard, no speech would be allowed at all, and even if it was, the rules would be easily gamed and weaponized to prevent people from talking.
With great power comes great responsibility. 'Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest' may not sound like a death sentence when spoken by the corner baker but when a person in a position of great power speaks those words they may well become exactly that.