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Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

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Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

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Yes. In the early '00s, I was unfulfilled doing web development and bored out of my mind. I went back to school hoping to get into more interesting tech. I got a bit sidetracked from that because I found immense pleasure in mathematics, but luck would have it, and I found my way to quantum computing through a colleague from my research group. So I didn't really leave tech; I got the credentials to migrate into "high tech." Which isn't a "save the world" type of fulfillment but at least the challenges we face are intellectually stimulating.

And, pertinent to today: I quit my web job as the dot-com bubble was bursting. I graduated in 2008 when the economy was collapsing again and I weathered that crash in grad school, making peanuts but not taking on debt. Going to college/university with a few years of "adult" working experience has its benefits: paying my own tuition, I wasn't there to party, I was there to learn. I devoted myself to the work as if it were my job.

If I had stayed in web stuff, I'd probably have been taking a nice salary for the decade or so that I was in school making beans. My salary would probably be 2-3x what it is today, if I hadn't earned enough to retire early. But I never went hungry, I took on very little debt, and I really enjoy what I do today. I'd do it all over again.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

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Hmm. I've had friends stating they feel like going into something agricultural. But consider that on that idyllic countryside farm, you need to wake up at 5 to feed the cows on a fine summer day. Also on that stormy day when you have to wade through half a food of mud to the barn * . And also when the snow is up to your waist * . Another solution is using that income from your cushy tech job to get some fulfilling ho…

Yes I have noticed this too. There is a small but significant homesteading movement. Ironically, working from home in IT, or making videos about homesteading and using the views to sell products, is often the way these people make it financially possible.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

#63
Ultimately, satisfaction cannot be achieved only by what you do. If you are called to leave then leave graciously and on good terms. But know if your fulfillment in life is solely tied to your occupation it will always feel empty. You need to feel that hole with something greater than your work.

Don't take my word for it. Study something written by the wisest man of the world. Ecclesiastes.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

#64

Fulfilment is found by some people by improving spiritual health. So cut out unwholesome bad things and replace them with good, love, kindness and beauty. People find solace in God and meditation.

I don't think it's a coincidence I run into so many software engineers turn woodworker.

Could be any craft so long as you're coming up with the requirements yourself

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

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I think the hard thing about mental work is you never feel like you've finished something. There's always more work to do and new features to build. The appeal of something like woodworking is it has a finish, and you have a tangible thing at the end. I think lifting and running scratch the physical exertion itch that the desk job leaves me with. At the end of the day, if you have a pretty easy going role that pays w…

Yes you can do that, but on the other hand, can hobbies really balance it out, considering the amount of time you spend working? 40 hours per week for 2-3 decades is a very long time to be feeling unfulfilled, even if you get the twilight hours and a few weeks a year to do something interesting. And by the time you retire you've lost your creative energy.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

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Engineers weren’t paid until 2000. Early in my career, I switched to marketing (1983). The problem was, it was repetitive, and ultimately boring. But it paid the bills way better 1983-2000. I switched back to engineering in 2000. It had the same EXACT difficulties as in 1983: assholes who felt contempt for “the details” and were invited to meetings you weren’t. It was actually even worse! Now the assholes were 20 yea…

TBH, I don't feel we really got paid until about 2012 or so- or at least it did not reach me (on the east coast around NYC) until then. I spent the first ten years of my career lamenting my choice, for the amount of effort, both mental and number of hours, it took to do the job, while my business-oriented peers in college were doing well but seemed to never have to work on a weekend or miss a happy hour/dinner. Until around that time I was always considered a second class citizen in just about any company I worked at.

Two things happened around 2012- the "startups" became "tech giants" and started competing with each other for talent with real money or RSUs, not just options that may pan out one day in the future. And tbh the work became easier- its hard to really understate how important the ability to just "stack overflow" a problem is, and the modern stacks developed to a point where it was really hard to make a case to roll your own libs instead of just pulling one off the shelf. As an example, I used to do C/C++, and until boost came along and started getting adoption in the mid 2000s, each time I changed jobs, I had to learn about a whole new "stl" that each company had built and all its quirks and fumble around for at least a month or two while I figured out how to do basic things like string manipulation Their Way. Web went from straight DOM manipulation and fighting with IE6, to toolkits and later frameworks that smoothed over all of these issues and let you focus on building apps, not UI.

Even without having worked for a tech giant, I am very grateful for them lifting all tech salaries, and I get to live in a very nice comfortable house that is almost paid off. I am glad I stuck it out- I was actually starting to study to become an actuary because I was so fed up with being treated like a peon around 2011 by people whose job I could easily do, but wouldn't have the slightest idea on how to do mine.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

#68
I left finance, working in illiquid alternatives - writing checks as an LP into VCs and buyout groups because it wasn’t fulfilling. Went back to manufacturing / industrial tech. Hard at first, very fulfilling and economically good a few years later.

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

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post #61

Yes. In the early '00s, I was unfulfilled doing web development and bored out of my mind. I went back to school hoping to get into more interesting tech. I got a bit sidetracked from that because I found immense pleasure in mathematics, but luck would have it, and I found my way to quantum computing through a colleague from my research group. So I didn't really leave tech; I got the credentials to migrate into "high…

Just curious, did you have an undergrad degree already?

Re: Ask HN: Have you ever considered leaving tech because you didn’t feel fulfilled?

#70
I've come to the conclusion that most industries are filled with bullshit, "bullshit" being defined as going through the motions in directions orthogonal to the mission in order to satisfy someone's/the institution's character flaws. That activity is naturally unfulfilling, but unless you're going to bootstrap a company or go for high-level leadership there's no way to combat it. So that means finding work where the amount of bullshit is minimized and/or the remaining non-bullshit work makes it worth it.

I have a wife and kid and another kid on the way, and I'm a sole provider, so I don't have the luxury of leaving for a lower paying position. Hell just looking at embedded development (bare metal C, micro-controllers, RTOS work and such), the tech work I find most fulfilling, I'd still have to take a decent haircut vs web-backend software engineering. My solution is I'm trying to spin up lifestyle business side projects that can compensate for any loss in salary when I find a job I actually want, and ideally train me for the jobs I actually want. I think that's the best balance I can strike while remaining an engineer.

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