Why ban GPT when we, as a society, are perfectly fine with humans who generate exactly the same kind kind of worthless content?
Because we want less of it, not more.
Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the surface I like this idea, but this makes it harder for participants from poorer countries from, well, participating. For some countries this is more than a week of the average wage!
Price can vary by market. Many companies already do this both for products and services, as well as subscriptions.
I guess you haven't heard of a VPN?
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, but in that case we can learn from the bots instead of wincing at regurgitated material. Basically, if it improves thread quality, I'm for it, and if it degrades thread quality, we should throw the book at it. The nice thing about this position is that comment quality is a function of the comments themselves, and little else.
I suggest thinking about the purpose of discussion on HN. There’s a tension between thread quality on the one hand and the process of humans debating and learning from each other on the other hand.
Intelligent debate can happen in high-quality threads. And when we are intelligently debating subjective matters, the debate is targeted towards the reader, not the opposing party. On the other hand, when we are debating objective matters, the debate leads to the parties learning from the other. So I don't think these things are opposites.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the perspective of the receiver of the message, there is no such thing as the story being true or not. If it's byte for byte the same story and I don't know whether the author is a human or a bot and I believe the story, the same reaction will be triggered at every level. The emotions, the symbolics, the empathy, all the same, whether the author is this or that. As a matter of fact, none of us know whether the o…
A made up story likely bears no resemblance to the reality we inhabit since it doesn’t obey the same physical laws of cause and effect for our universe? I’m surprised we have to even explain why a made up story is not useful.
Made up stories have no constraint either creating reality (eg, capitalism, Santa for kids, religion) or mapping to reality (eg, science, Zola's Germinal).
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#185They're already banned—HN has never allowed bots or generated comments. If we have to, we'll add that explicitly to https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html , but I'd say it already follows from the rules that are in there. We don't want canned responses from humans either! Edit: It's a bit hard to point to past explanations since the word "bots" appears in many contexts, but I did find these: https://news.yc…
Should HN ban the discussion of mobile apps on smartphones on its platform?
The excessive use of mobile apps on smartphones has been linked to addiction and a range of negative effects on mental and physical health [0]. Should HN consider banning the use of mobile apps on smartphones on its platform in order to promote a healthier and more focused environment for discussions?
[0] : https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/health/cell-phone-ban-schools...
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
...or pay to play. if every tweet cost $1 im sure they would be more thoughtful.
A toll fee won’t really be a quality incentive for someone of sufficient economic means, while shutting out great contributions from someone who can’t afford it.
It'll shut out anyone that simply doesn't feel like paying for others to read their thoughts. Narcissists with money would probably love it though. The rest of us would simply abandon these forums and go find other things to do with our time and attention.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’ll be interesting if we soon come to a day when a comment can be suspected to be from a bot because it’s too coherent and smart!
We need a variant that knows to link to the Relevant XKCD.
Please no. We can't allow this to be a slippery slope to what is happening on reddit.
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#188The fact that soon the internet will be so flooded with bots that you'll be floating eternally alone in a sea of imposters unless we create some draconian real person ID system is a tragedy so great it's crazy it has not dawned on people yet. I started out loving the net because of the feelings of connection and partly because of the honesty and discussions stemming from at least pseudo anonymity, both silly stuff an…
In the near term we will have to start Turing testing our conversation partners. You can about a current event, because these models have a training date cutoff. For example, ask them what the top story on the news was yesterday.
Those of us who don't read the news daily, or live in a different country, won't know the answer to that question either.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is an xkcd comic about this (of course): #810 Constructive: https://xkcd.com/810/
There is -of course- the famous Alan Turing paper about this [1], which is rapidly becoming more relevant by the day. Alan Turing's paper was quite forward thinking. At the time, most people did not yet consider men and women to be equal (let alone homosexuals). I don't think it is so important whether a comment is written by a man, a woman, a child, or a , or some combination thereof. What is important is that the c…
Note: Alan Turing's Imitiation Game pretty much directly involves Men, Women, Machines, Teletypes.
These days of course we use such things as IRC clients, Discord, Web Browsers etc, instead of teletypes. If you substitute in these modern technologies, the Imitation Game still applies to much online interaction today.
I've often applied the lessons gleaned from this to my own online interactions with other people. I don't think I ever quite imagined it might start applying directly to !
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