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Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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This website gives strong Russian propaganda vibes. Apparently it is owned by the Russian state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Beyond Given all that's going on, I found it jarring that it uses the Russian spellings of Kharkiv and Kyiv. I did find the content a little interesting. The other articles on that site seem rather strange, like they exist purely to give westerners more favorable views of the Russian…

Sorry about that, I didn't realize this before I shared it. I had no agenda in sharing it, I did see that it had some Ukrainian contributions listed. I found it because I was trying to find the creator of Filler, when I stumbled upon this list. And not that anyone asked, but I am a Wisconsinite and I support Ukraine.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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post #2

This website gives strong Russian propaganda vibes. Apparently it is owned by the Russian state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Beyond Given all that's going on, I found it jarring that it uses the Russian spellings of Kharkiv and Kyiv. I did find the content a little interesting. The other articles on that site seem rather strange, like they exist purely to give westerners more favorable views of the Russian…

Sorry about that, I didn't realize this before I shared it. I had no agenda in sharing it, I did see that it had some Ukrainian contributions listed. I found it because I was trying to find the creator of Filler, when I stumbled upon this list. And not that anyone asked, but I am a Wisconsinite and I support Ukraine.

I don't think there's any need to apologize, I just wanted to highlight the source.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Tetris creator Aleksey and few of his company were bought out and borught to Seattle in early oughts by Microsoft and they made a bunch of games for MSN Zone. There was one called Hexic that I remember him posting into a Russian email alias with an offer to take whoever got 5 black pearls first to dinner with him, which I think took out od a good portion of Russians on that channel out of circulation for a day or two…

Only question I would ask him is what he though of the love letter than is the 2018 game Tetris Effect?

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Tetris creator Aleksey and few of his company were bought out and borught to Seattle in early oughts by Microsoft and they made a bunch of games for MSN Zone. There was one called Hexic that I remember him posting into a Russian email alias with an offer to take whoever got 5 black pearls first to dinner with him, which I think took out od a good portion of Russians on that channel out of circulation for a day or two…

Hexic on my Zune HD consumed an incredible amount of my time. Still no modern day equivalent in how smooth the gameplay was. I still boot up the Zune sometimes to enjoy it again.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am aware that genocide is a disputed term in this context. I lean towards it because the famine disproportionately affected Ukrainians (and Kazakhs) and was at least in part not mitigated intentionally to punish minorities with a stronger anti-Soviet sentiment.

> I am aware Yet you use it. > I lean towards Maybe because you just want to use it? Just look at the map[0], read the legend. Explain who were the people in 18, 17, 11 regions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Famine_en_URSS_1933.jpg

Probably a lot of ethnic Ukrainians? Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Map_of_U...

That's 14 years before 1933, and the border was not there by then, but...

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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post #13

Compare what happened to the creators of these games with the creators of popular titles in the USA and Japan. Tetris is an especially interesting one; Tetris was a worldwide phenomenon, a huge hit in the US that sold a huge number of copies. The creators of Tetris saw none of the profits from their creation. Their game was seized by the state as soon as it became popular and they never really profited. Compare to si…

There's no way we have space here to do the whole debate, but for starters, the Soviet Union wasn't communist by any reasonable definition. Wikipedia does a quick breakdown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Associated_usage_and...

> While the term Communist state is used by Western historians, political scientists, and news media to refer to countries ruled by Communist parties, these states themselves did not describe themselves as communist or claim to have achieved communism: they referred to themselves as socialist states that are in the process of constructing communism

If we use genuine definitions of "communism" and leave to the side Red Scare American political non-definitions, we'd agree with the USSR when it doesn't call itself communist. We can happily disagree with them on their assertion that they were "in the process of constructing communism," the same we can disagree with the PRC's assertion that it's still doing the same today.

If you want to say something sucks, blame the Soviet-type economic planning model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet-type_economic_planning which featured absurd layers of bureaucracy that would result in, yes, the means of production being seized... and then misused by "intellectual party leaders" that thought they knew better than the people who, say, had been farming the land for hundreds of years, resulting in famine, or the other not-fun things about living in the USSR.

To your point, I can find absolutely no evidence that the USSR "seized" the game from Pajitnov. Do you have some? There was no intellectual property in the USSR, I'm not even sure what "seized" means in this context. Sure, he wasn't allowed to "sell" it in the Soviet Union, but it wouldn't really make sense in their economic system to "sell" the game. He was apparently nationally and internationally known for the creation, but it seems renown wasn't enough, he wanted commercial success as well, hence the emigration to the USA in the 90s.

I push back because listen to the story of how it was introduced, as interpreted by Wikipedia:

> Pajitnov had completed the first playable version of Tetris by June 6, 1984.[21] Pajitnov presented Tetris to his colleagues, who quickly became addicted to it.[15]: 87 It permeated the offices within the Academy of Sciences, and within a few weeks it reached every Moscow institute with a computer. A friend of Pajitnov, Vladimir Pokhilko, who requested the game for the Moscow Medical Institute, saw people stop working to play Tetris. Pokhilko eventually banned the game from the Medical Institute to restore productivity.

Does this remind you of MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory around the same era? How much of what we love to use today has similar origin stories, and brought their creators no commercial success at all? Gnu, the linux kernel, the core of most of our industry is built on libre software developed in this manner in that time. Why immediately jump to the assumption "no capitalistic success = bad?"

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, the surprising part was learning how many Russian people I know have parents or grandparents who were born in Ukraine. I knew that Soviet Ukraine had ~50 million people. Almost 20% of the USSR, and a bit less than France, Italy, or the UK at the time. I knew that Ukraine was one of the most developed and densely populated parts of the USSR, and of the Russian Empire before that. I had some idea how the border…

At the individual level, the boundaries are really blurry. I'm a Russian. I know many Ukrainians. Often, when you meet a Ukrainian, you'll never know that they are, in fact, from Ukraine, unless you ask. Sometimes their pronunciation ("г" as "h" instead of "g") would give them away, but other than that, there are practically zero differences — especially cultural ones. We really are mostly the same people and we shou…

Is there any good source on the topic of "г" pronounced as "h" instead of "g"? I've studied Russian as a second language and once got into an argument over whether Russian has the equivalent of "h" because "x" is pronounced as "kh", which is harder than "h". Does this phenomenon have some name, as googling didn't turn out much?

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am aware Yet you use it. > I lean towards Maybe because you just want to use it? Just look at the map[0], read the legend. Explain who were the people in 18, 17, 11 regions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Famine_en_URSS_1933.jpg

Probably a lot of ethnic Ukrainians? Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Map_of_U... That's 14 years before 1933, and the border was not there by then, but...

> Are you aware that Ukraine previously had more expansive borders

I would prefer a slighly more credible resource than a postcard made in times of great turmoil.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Evropays...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Su...

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Takes a special kind of person to correct another on the pronunciation of their own name.

The pronunciation is not something I'm disputing. I'm talking about romanization of the Cyrillic alphabet. There are a few established standards, ж is typically zh or ž, and j has common use as a different sound. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian In that table, literally none of the standards cited use j for ж. J is often used for й, or part of я, ю, ё.

The same article says:

In Soviet international passports, transliteration was based on French rules but without diacritics and so all names were transliterated in a French-style system.

"French-style system" links to this article in French: https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_du_russe_en_fr..., which transliterates ж to j.

It is confusing that this mapping is missing from the table in the English article.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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post #39

Because of the war against Ukraine, I’ve become more aware of Ukraine’s role in the USSR when reading up on history. One thing I’ve noticed is just how much of the most impressive technological feats came from Ukraine.

The association "USSR = Russians" is part of the systematic attempt by the soviet regime at cultural (and sometimes literal) genocide. The 90th anniversary of the Holodomor was just two weeks ago.

Ironically, I mainly see foreigners drawing that false equivalence, and am always puzzled by it, as it seems to be far more persistent than anything constructed by the Soviets themselves. So I don't really think it's rooted in Soviet propaganda, it's always been there, even during early USSR which was worshipping the International. The perception in the US was especially persistent, you can see this in every media article and every public document/speech dating back to the 1920s as calling Soviets "Russians" was widespread.
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