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Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
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Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#92Yes, ban it. I've been playing around with ChatGPT and where it starts failing is just where things start becoming interesting. What that means is that it's wikipedia-smart, i.e. it doesn't really tell you anything you can't find out with a minimal Google search. It does however cut the time-to-answer quite a bit, particularly if it's an area of knowledge you're not really that familiar with. But it bottoms out right…
The problem with ChatGPT is that it often reads authoritative. But is often just flat out wrong. I asked it a few questions for which I consider myself a subject matter expert and the answers were laughably wrong.
For me it happend when I asked to write a function using BigQuery, it wrote a function that made a lot of sense but was wrong, because the command didn't exist in BigQuery. When I replay that the function didn't work, it told me, something like this: You right the function that I used it was only working on beta mode, now you have to use the following.... And again it was wrong.
I made a little research and never was such a beta commandm..
And then I got that it just makes up things that it don't know, but says it with authority.
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
This has a far easier and less dystopian solution: charge money to access communities, which are smaller and more focused. I find it very unlikely that corporate PR bots will be paying $5 a month each to spam Substack communities, for example.
It's doesn't even have to be $5/month. Make a $10 deposit required for creating an account, and for each offense against the guidelines, you get a "fine" that proportional for the severity of the infraction (uncivil discussion? $0.10 cents, participating in hell-threads? $0.50. Comparing HN with reddit? $1.337 Obvious spam? Your whole $10 is gone.) Repeat offenses get exponentially more expensive, and you only get to…
On the surface I like this idea, but this makes it harder for participants from poorer countries from, well, participating. For some countries this is more than a week of the average wage!
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#94The fact that soon the internet will be so flooded with bots that you'll be floating eternally alone in a sea of imposters unless we create some draconian real person ID system is a tragedy so great it's crazy it has not dawned on people yet. I started out loving the net because of the feelings of connection and partly because of the honesty and discussions stemming from at least pseudo anonymity, both silly stuff an…
That's the time to get in the trenches and fight for the Internet to be weird again. I believe there is great value in the edges. I love Lunchclub for exactly that purpose. It creates a really intimate 1:! with someone who might not be in your network.
Less velocity = Less Noise
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#95The fact that soon the internet will be so flooded with bots that you'll be floating eternally alone in a sea of imposters unless we create some draconian real person ID system is a tragedy so great it's crazy it has not dawned on people yet. I started out loving the net because of the feelings of connection and partly because of the honesty and discussions stemming from at least pseudo anonymity, both silly stuff an…
In the near term we will have to start Turing testing our conversation partners. You can about a current event, because these models have a training date cutoff. For example, ask them what the top story on the news was yesterday.
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#96The fact that soon the internet will be so flooded with bots that you'll be floating eternally alone in a sea of imposters unless we create some draconian real person ID system is a tragedy so great it's crazy it has not dawned on people yet. I started out loving the net because of the feelings of connection and partly because of the honesty and discussions stemming from at least pseudo anonymity, both silly stuff an…
> Back to local community and family i guess, it was amazing while it lasted.
I see that as a positive thing really. I have no desire to be entertained by generated content. Best bet is to start disengaging and learning to have civil interactions with real people again.
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#97This debate reminds me a lot of early-Quora moderation discussions over anonymous users. People wanted to mass-ban any answers from "anonymous" because they weren't from "real people". I argued that, in a public forum, questions/answers should be judged on their content, rather than "who" wrote them. People disagreed. Anonymous functionality on Quora has since been gutted.
AI-generated content seems similar. If a comment is good, who cares whether it was written by Alice, Bob, or an AI? ChatGPT has already proven it can write better answers to some queries than most humans do; I'd rather read the better-quality answer, no matter who wrote it. I'm on HN for the comments, not the people.
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the issue is that ChatGPT can already generate better responses than I personally can. Like, a lot of the time I'll have an interesting perspective that I just can't be bothered articulating, whereas ChatGPT will formulate that for me.
How could ChatGPT generate your perspective for you?
It doesn't generate the perspective (usually) but rather turns it into a reply.
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with ChatGPT is that it often reads authoritative. But is often just flat out wrong. I asked it a few questions for which I consider myself a subject matter expert and the answers were laughably wrong.
i’ve seen so many examples of this over the past few weeks. just thinking about how many people will just eat what it feeds them borders on terrifying. in so many instances, it’s just wrong but continues on so confidently. one of the things i find most interesting is that it has no idea when it’s wrong so it just keeps going. we already have a fairly significant growing problem of people who refuse to admit (even to…
> in so many instances, it’s just wrong but continues on so confidently
Sounds sociopathic, and also like many politicians and people in leadership positions.
Re: Ask HN: Should HN ban ChatGPT/generated responses?
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with ChatGPT is that it often reads authoritative. But is often just flat out wrong. I asked it a few questions for which I consider myself a subject matter expert and the answers were laughably wrong.
For me it happend when I asked to write a function using BigQuery, it wrote a function that made a lot of sense but was wrong, because the command didn't exist in BigQuery. When I replay that the function didn't work, it told me, something like this: You right the function that I used it was only working on beta mode, now you have to use the following.... And again it was wrong. I made a little research and never was…
I asked it to write a function in Python that would return the list of AWS accounts in an organization with a given tag key and value.
The code looked right, initialized boto3 correctly and called a function on it get_account_numbers_by_tag on the organizations object.
I wondered why I never heard of that function and nor did I find it when searching. Turns out, there is no such function.