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Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

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Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

#131

It seems likely the author was just into it because it is a fad. Here is why I use and like dark mode: My eyes feel better on both short term and long term use. It doesn't feel as uncomfortable on my eyes. Whether or not it is technically more readable or not doesn't matter to me. I don't need a study of a population to know what feels better to me. I'm a sample size of one, but the only one in this case that matters…

Amen.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

#132

Dark mode is harder to read, especially after a long day. But my wife has a light sleep and surfing light mode at night while being in bed is not an option.

It's a bad idea, health-wise, to use a bed for anything other than sleeping or cuddling/sex.

Put the electronics in a different room. Go in the bedroom when it's time for bed. Leave the bedroom when it's not.

Sleep hygiene is important.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

#133

Here here. I hate hate hate light text on dark backgrounds. I have to work harder to read, and as soon as I look away, I see ghosting everywhere for a few seconds. Complete rubbish dark mode is. I have blue eyes, ~-6.5 near-sighted correction, and a pretty bad astigmatism, so this may have something to do with it.

Same here. I can't tolerate light text on dark background. Same ghosting issue. I prefer light mode to dark mode anyday.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

#134

Eh, I prefer dark mode aesthetically, and also I personally find that, at 4 am in a dark room where the only lights are a single desk lamp behind my monitors, and the monitors themselves, white backgrounds are painful. I’m willing to accept that if I was in a sunny room at high noon that light mode might be better.

They aren't if you reduce brightness & contrast to something shortly above 10%.

As in my case. OFC brand new displays could use even less.

Also color temperature 'warm', something like 5000k, or even below.

If you can't setup them that way, they are broken by design and/or you're using them wrong.

Besides, even at high noon on a clear day I don't push them over 55%, when the sun shines in brightly from the side. Same during sunrise, or until sunset.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

#135
Something I'd like to point out that seems to be consistently missing from the present studies and the discussions that come up every time this topic gets posted again.

Not only are the "decide if this string of characters is a word" tests showing a maximum difference of around 30% for dark v light mode in simulated night with small fonts but, that's not what most people are doing most of the time when reading things and it's certainly not what programmers are doing when reading code. So that almost certainly does not translate directly to X% slower reading performance in real world scenarios. This real world vs lab test difference alone can easily account for why so many people assert that dark mode is better for them even though the evidence sometimes suggests it shouldn't be. And that doesn't score a point for either camp. It means there's still much we don't know. So any conclusions are tentative at best.

Studies on the mechanics of reading, especially on the web, have shown that much of the time people are actually scanning and identifying whole phrases or sentences as one pattern. Hence I can write and the cow jumped over the moom and more than half the people who read that will not notice the second m swapped in. Same trick applies with jumped over the room. Which many will literally see as jumped over the moon even though two letters are different now and it's an actual different word at the end. It's even harder to see correctly because I already primed your memory with the typical phrase. Of course, people unfamiliar with that phrase won't have a problem with it. They have to parse each word anyway. No bigger pattern in memory. This is even worse when people are scanning whole web pages looking for patterns that might match content they are interested in. And most of the time programmers are reading blocks of text, it is to find an answer or concept they need in order to continue coding.

Quoting the same group as in the OP: https://creativehandles.com/blog-posts/79/4-types-of-eye-tra...

People do this in speech too, try making a statement to some friends that sounds phonetically similar to a common catch phrase or something you know they'd be triggered by but actually be saying something different and benign. See how often they react as if you said the common or triggering phrase anyway. For extra fun, follow up later and see how many people swear they actually remember you saying the thing you didn't say.

I suspect this pattern recognition trick is even more at play in reading and writing code. When one is fluent in a language, we don't actually need to read the symbols to know what a block of code is doing. Structures are so deliberately similar that one can recognize conditionals and loops for what they are without reading the words "if" or "while", this goes on to the content of those blocks and any function calls as well. Many functions use similar names for similar actions in code regardless of the program space because humans being humans.

To spot this one in action, take notice of how certain ways of writing particular programming patterns are jarring every time you read them, to the point that you feel the need to change it even though it's perfectly functional. It's not the code per se, it's the readability. It's particularly egregious when someone gets a pattern around 70 to 80% correct but then does something different for one or two components of the overall pattern. You get annoyed reading it because it's like hearing someone mispronounce a word or change one word in a commonly used phrase. The pattern is there in your brain, it starts to match, you build up an expectation that the next parts will match. If it does, satisfaction; if it doesn't, frustration. Now your brain has to do more work to read in and learn what the non-matching parts are doing. This expectation tells you that you would rather be pattern matching large blocks of code than reading each syntax element.

When reading in this manner, it's actually more important to have proper syntax highlighting than any specific contrast ratio between the background and the text. I could totally see light mode being a consistent hindrance here too. Not sure about that but it would explain a lot about the prevalence of preferences in general population vs programmers. For good syntax highlighting you want a lot of colors that contrast against both the background and the other syntax elements. Some shades of yellow and green probably don't do as well against a white background as a dark one for example, especially if used for similar shaped elements that often show up close to each other.

Regardless of how that goes, or if we ever even find out whether this matters to the light v dark debate, the nuances around the way humans read differently in different situations are not even being addressed in the studies yet. That observation alone should give people pause before confidently claiming to know anything here and certainly before asserting that someone is wrong to have the preferences they have.

Just something to think about.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

#136
I have special version of context-aware-auto-brightness for the bedside computer. It is the best IMHO. It keeps the brightness just within the right limits. Dark modes are boosted just right and switching from dark to bright does not burn retinas. https://github.com/timonoko/Context-Aware-Auto-Brightness/bl...

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

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This post seems to boil down to, "I read a summary of one study, so I am confident in telling you all how wrong you are". Thanks but I'll let the scientific process play itself out over time. In the mean time, I appreciate that the public debate has induced phones, apps, and many web sites to give me the option to enjoy reading things all day without eye strain. The fact that more stuff defaults dark mode or follows…

I think your summary here more or less applies to the entire debate, and many other similar debates. When did we forget that personal preference an entirely sufficient reason to make a personal choice? I don't use dark mode because a meta-analysis of opthalmological studies indicates it may improve eye health, I use it because I like it and my eyes feel more comfortable using it.

> When did we forget that personal preference an entirely sufficient reason to make a personal choice?

I don't think anyone is forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to smoke cigarettes, you have the license to do so. But that doesn't mean there aren't objective reasons no to do so.

Generally speaking, preferences aren't beyond scrutiny or axiomatic, or outside rational consideration. If a preference is meaningfully harmful (dark mode probably does not qualify), then in a rational person it tends to shift accordingly once the harmfulness is understood. Stubborn irrational preferences (like those that involve addiction) may require some effort or intervention to recondition them to conform with our objective good. At the very least, we ought to avoid indulging them.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

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post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got a source/link for this? Seems like good advice that I can incorporate into my routine, but I want the non-TL;DR version.

There are many sources for each. Web search or https://hn.algolia.com should find them.

I'll take that as a "no." I appreciate the summary anyway, thanks.

Re: Is Dark Mode Good for Your Eyes? (2020)

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I was a big believer in dark mode for a long time, until I started trying to reduce my SAD symptoms during the winter time. I read this blog post here [0] after seeing it on HN, and ended up buying 28 100W equivalent bulbs and a 500W equivalent corn bulb. I get a pretty decent amount of light in my home office now, and light mode is essential on my workstation or it's almost impossible to even SEE anything on screen,…

I actually dont understand why other people can work in a dimly lit space and having dark mode on their monitor. It make feel so lazy and gloomy.

I come alive at night in a dark room. It makes me feel like the only things left in the world are just me and whatever I'm doing, giving me complete focus.
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