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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by MisterTea » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:19 AM UTC

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

> I previously held onto Windows at home because despite my age I still love games. At least, I love the idea of them, if I ever get time to play.

I used to think this way too. I have been holding on to a Windows 7 machine at home since 2011 but its days are numbered.

Linux has gotten to the point where it just works and clumsy software can be installed and ran in containers. I have a 12 core threadripper with an AMD Radeon Pro running Void Linux Musl and Steam installed via flatpak and most of my games work. I have Debian running an a NUC hooked to my TV and that plays Hulu in a browser or run whatever I want. I don't miss Windows. If I NEED it there are VM's.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by SamuelAdams » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:26 AM UTC

dehrmann wrote: post #181

datatrashfire wrote: post #14

After years of thinking "wsl2 is enough for me", I switched to fedora as an experiment and I have not looked back once.

I tried this with Ubuntu a few years ago. Once I had to deal with hidpi issues and screen tearing while scrolling in Firefox, I went back.

Kind of interesting how 4k displays have been common for close to a decade now and it’s still an issue in many Linux environments.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by lost_tourist » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:30 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #446

HeckFeck wrote: post #374

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No, but pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. The Windows 98-7 era made me like the system and aspire to be a developer for it. I remember wanting to make my own window! Now it is simply a hostile wasteland that I regard with suspicion and resentment. There is no love for it left. I now use Linux and bear with OSX when I need to. Windows 8, but especially 10, made a hardcore Unix freak ou…

> pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. back when balmer jumped up and down in a presentation yelling "developers, developers, developers", they were still good (despite balmer's terrible leadership). I think they're just losing the battle for mindshare now. Users would more easily move to macs, if they're a casual consumer of tech, and linux if they're more hardcore. Windows has no raiso…

When you start listening only to marketers/accounting and ignoring your engineers and users, you will eventually fail.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by _carbyau_ » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:32 AM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #509

binarycrusader wrote: post #218

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Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

> If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it will collect the diagnostics required to fix this issue and prevent it from happening again. As if it didn't happened AS intended, using a dark pattern by choice, and compatible with many other similar changes increasingly happening on Windows for the last 5 years or more?

I mean this could happen by accident right?!?

"Whoops! I'm so sorry, Mrs. H. I guess this just isn't my week."

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102266/quotes/qt0468298

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by disqard » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:42 AM UTC

bscphil wrote: post #496

asveikau wrote: post #481

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I think the exodus thing doesn't work the way you think. Sane people leave, and the staff is left with people who want to be there and to be pulling all these stunts, spinning them as success.

Think they probably meant a user exodus, as that's where the revenue comes from.

You are correct, thank you! I probably could've been clearer about that :)

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by seti0Cha » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 2:08 AM UTC

chii wrote: post #446

HeckFeck wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. The Windows 98-7 era made me like the system and aspire to be a developer for it. I remember wanting to make my own window! Now it is simply a hostile wasteland that I regard with suspicion and resentment. There is no love for it left. I now use Linux and bear with OSX when I need to. Windows 8, but especially 10, made a hardcore Unix freak ou…

> pissing off people who love computers the most is a terrible idea. back when balmer jumped up and down in a presentation yelling "developers, developers, developers", they were still good (despite balmer's terrible leadership). I think they're just losing the battle for mindshare now. Users would more easily move to macs, if they're a casual consumer of tech, and linux if they're more hardcore. Windows has no raiso…

I don't know man. Half the developers I know are now using a Microsoft tool to write code (more among web developers). Nearly everyone is using a Microsoft site to host their code, or relies on code hosted there. WSL and the new terminal have removed a couple of major roadblocks to using Windows for development, and Azure is doing gangbusters. Office is cross-platform and still ubiquitous in the corporate world and isn't going anywhere as long as they have active directory and all the other corporate management tools. They may be losing consumer mind share, but I don't think they really care that much. At this point consumer Windows is only valuable to them as a marketing platform so there's no point in retaining it if they don't use it as such.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by SamuelAdams » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 2:18 AM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #321

I see ‘secure’ laptops at F500 companies now that have search ads in the start menu. How did IT not push back against MS here? Huge security issue.

Windows enterprise is a different product. SysAdmins can likely push a GPO update to disable internet searches and other queries to Microsoft.

If you see “secure” laptops with ads and searching bing enabled by default, it’s likely their sysadmins are either lazy or have a different threat model.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by rolenthedeep » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 2:20 AM UTC

progman32 wrote: post #197

Linux/*BSD may still be that awkward friend who sometimes misreads your intentions and causes awkward moments or knocks glasses over, but at least tries to respect you (snapd excepted). Windows these days doesn't seem to respect you. There's a difference in my mind between struggling to make your computer do something (because nobody made it easy yet) and struggling to make your computer do something (because a marke…

This beautifully sums up my experience with windows and Linux. Fighting my misbehaving Linux computer feels productive. Fighting windows just makes me angry and tired.

Yeah Linux is hard, but at least it isn't hard on purpose.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by rolenthedeep » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 2:21 AM UTC

the_gipsy wrote: post #244

nicbou wrote: post #205

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Windows is the guy that makes you watch your drink at all times, because he clearly doesn't take no as an answer.

Are you sure? Why not? C'mon. Yes? Haha ok that definitely is a yes.

Do you want to upgrade your OS? Why not? C'mon, it's free! Please? Please upgrade your OS? Oh hey! I upgraded your OS while you were sleeping, no need to thank me.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by SCLeo » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 2:29 AM UTC

doodlesdev wrote: post #527

SCLeo wrote: post #209

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My Nvidia driver literally just died last week or the week before. I had to reinstall it to make it work.

Just out of curiosity (as the website suggests lol), which distro were you using? I long left Nvidia as it's really a no-go on Linux but I noticed different distros had VASTLY different experiences with it. For instance Mint was very stable and simple to install drivers, but they were ofter outdated. Fedora was more work through rpm fusion but I also got a better experience and even managed to use Wayland. Some distr…

Ubuntu 22.04 with proprietary NVIDIA driver. I made no changes to the driver nor tinkered with any settings. I did not run any weird/nerdy applications that might have affected the GPU at all.

The only thing I did was running `apt update` and `apt upgrade` every day. One day, it just stopped booting into my desktop environment. Instead, it showed a blinking cursor. I followed some random tutorials online and uninstalled the driver, which fixed the issue.