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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by layer8 » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:01 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #532

layer8 wrote: post #261

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The MS employees who “get” it and actually use stock Windows themselves stopped being in charge. See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30019307 .

The key point in that thread is the UI/UX designers don't use Windows and use Macs. ...which explains the disturbing similarity between macOS 13's System Settings and the same in Windows 11.

I suspect the managers and execs also don’t, or only sanitized Windows Enterprise setups, or else they wouldn’t let the designers have free reign here.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by sedatk » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:06 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #72

Windows is still my favourite OS, but I surely am not rushing to adopt Windows 11 beyond work requirements. It is just another Vista.

> It is just another Vista.

Not really. Vista was overly ambitious, and because of that, it had had many problems which were later fixed in Win7. Modern audio, networking, display driver model, 64-bit, drive encryption etc have all been released with Vista, and most of that code still runs on Win11. Vista was only immature, nothing was wrong with it otherwise. Win7 is what Vista should have been.

Windows 11, on the other hand, only brings some UI and small performance and security improvements over Win10. It's nowhere close to Vista. Old Microsoft would have called this Win10.11 rather than Win11.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by SamuelAdams » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #288

BirAdam wrote: post #8

This kind of crap is what made Windows 10 unusable for me. Everything was infuriating. I’m not a fanboy of anything either. Win2K was great. macOS 10.1-10.4 was wonderful. BeOS, RISCOS, IRIX, NeXT, and even DRDOS have warm places in my heart. These days, I use macOS because I find it the least annoying. It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows. Linux and BSD a…

What are you doing with your machine that makes Windows 10 unusable? I've been on Windows 10 for years. I ran O&O ShutUp 10 a long time ago and haven't had any of the problems people are complaining about. I've had people complain about how they "shouldn't need to run Shutup 10" yeah ok valid point, but it's a weak one because I can make that point about anything on any other OS. It takes what - 10 seconds to run the…

If you’re working for a FAANG you’re probably using a company device, which uses Windows Enterprise. Generally less ad-like, managed by GPO’s, etc. whereas home edition is going to have all these annoyances.

That said they can be tamed or disabled. My wife has a Windows 10 computer (home edition) and it doesn’t prompt her for anything - searches for files are all local, etc. Most of these annoyances are fixed by reading the options when you install the OS. The few that remain are a quick google search away.

I feel like people are over dramatizing this.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ajsnigrutin » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:10 AM UTC

lmm wrote: post #528

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #128

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Honestly, ubuntu is doing similar UX breaking crap... every two years you need to relearn where to set the static ip, apt-get is snap, or snap is apt-get or who knows what you'll get when you need a simple install, and phoning home is preinstalled too.

Yep. I honestly think that if you loved Linux 10 or 20 years ago you're better off with FreeBSD these days.

There are still some distros that are usable... notably gentoo or arch... but the "pretty" ones, especially the debian/ubuntu based ones, have really gone downhill.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by djcannabiz » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:11 AM UTC

Maxburn wrote: post #343

thebiss wrote: post #279

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Can you use music.apple.com under chrome on mint?

Pretty much the only use case I have for itunes is to sideload music to my iphone, so I go into my windows partition a couple times a month to do it.

I had a similar problem, I just switched to foobar2k https://apps.apple.com/us/app/foobar2000/id1072807669 on my iphone. There are some... interesting UI design choices, but no itunes required. Decoupled https://decoupled.app/ is also nice.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by _carbyau_ » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:12 AM UTC

causality0 wrote: post #457

vanous wrote: post #235

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> Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. Thanks for your apology. I can imagine this could happen to some random unknown software team but not to the supposed leader of the desktop. I believe this is honest apology but I am not sure I can trust that the issue was a bug and not a feature.

Yeah considering the absolute pissbaby tantrum Windows 10/11 throws when you go to change the default browser in the first place there's effectively no difference.

I just reinstalled Win10 at home. I used Edge -> Bing -> "chrome" and the top "result" is a blurb saying something like "Hey you don't need to use Chrome when you could use Edge!"

I laughed out loud - actually. "Pass the butter Edge...."

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by shostack » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:15 AM UTC

dahart wrote: post #35

What really kills me about the ad-spam being added to menus everywhere is that eventually they start having problems and drag my computer to its knees. I end up with behaviors where the Start Menu takes several seconds to appear, or a search will stall, and when navigating folders in the File Explorer have very serious and noticeable drag, taking one or two seconds. So far I’ve eventually been able to figure out how…

And as soon as you're on a subscription-based Windows that has forced auto updates, suddenly you can't just stick to a given version of windows and they can shove whatever they want at you, just like a web service.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by sizzle » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:15 AM UTC

NovaVeles wrote: post #515

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I could not tell you the last time I had Windows in the home. I would guess around 2013. After then I kind of went (almost) 'Full Stallman' - I had been moving that way for a few years already. The only Microsoft product I have is an old Xbox 360 that was updated once and then left permanently offline. Side story - I remember in late 2001 when the 1st Xbox was coming out and I was in a retail store. There was couple…

Windows Vista for me

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by PostOnce » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:17 AM UTC

justaj wrote: post #485

PostOnce wrote: post #455

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I thought I had tried all the linux DAWs, but I haven't tried Bitwig; thanks for mentioning it, I'll try it out this week.

Just a heads-up: Make sure to have enough time to mess around with it because it's a massive time drain. Especially if you like sound design. Exciting and fun time drain, but a time drain none the less.

I bought a midi controller to make music for a game I'm working on part-time, knowing absolutely nothing at all about music.

It is the most relaxing, pleasant time-sink I have encountered in years, I wish someone had told me the joy of music creation earlier. Even just fiddling with the piano is quite extraordinarily relaxing.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by shostack » Mon, Dec 12, 2022, 1:19 AM UTC

tester756 wrote: post #29

I can't believe that right click Menu has has "more" option which shows basic features of that context menu, like what the fuck? what's even the reasoning with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-WEBd8obc But select text and search in browser option seems to be really reasonable.

Just wait for ads in the right click menu.