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Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by chokolad »

augustuspolius wrote: post #65
xkcd1963 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've to step in here, because also native Russians starved during the Holodomor. My grandmother saw half-starved people and corpses as a child in the city

Just to clarify - native Russians in Ukraine or outside of it? If the former then it’s not surprising, the genocide was directed at specific territories.

> Just to clarify - native Russians in Ukraine or outside of it? If the former then it’s not surprising, the genocide was directed at specific territories.

Outside. Specifically, Volga Region, Kazakhstan, Urals and Siberia

This Wiki article describes it in details

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93...

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by chokolad »

Waterluvian wrote: post #55
anotherstalker wrote: post #23

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Care to highlight interesting examples and industries for us unlearned?

The sole Russian Carrier today was built and docked in Ukraine. When the USSR collapsed Russia stole and basically destroyed it out of sheer incompetence.

> The sole Russian Carrier today was built and docked in Ukraine. When the USSR collapsed Russia stole and basically destroyed it out of sheer incompetence.

That's strictly due to geography. There are not too many places in USSR where one can build decently sized wharfs.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by alwayslikethis »

augustuspolius wrote: post #65
xkcd1963 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've to step in here, because also native Russians starved during the Holodomor. My grandmother saw half-starved people and corpses as a child in the city

Just to clarify - native Russians in Ukraine or outside of it? If the former then it’s not surprising, the genocide was directed at specific territories.

I don't think "genocide" is the right term here. It is part of a wider man-made famine, which is an act of great evil perpetrated by the communist regime, but it affected all parts of the southern USSR, including areas with mainly ethnic Russian populations. For more information, you may want to read more about the policies that led to this event, such as "dekulakization"

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

augustuspolius wrote: post #61
russianman wrote: post #57

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It’s not true. Modern Ukraine was created not hundreds of years, but just in ~1920. Google a bit more)

Commenter didn’t say anything about “modern Ukraine”. Russia has been harassing Ukraine for a very long time, modern or ancient.

In that case 'Russia' was harrassing itself: the regime first established in Kiev in late X century has conquered the northern territories and spread its rule there, then lost core southern territory in the aftermath of the mongol invasions, and eventually came back, also spreading as far as to Alaska in the east.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by thescriptkiddie »

xkcd1963 wrote: post #44
qsort wrote: post #39

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The association "USSR = Russians" is part of the systematic attempt by the soviet regime at cultural (and sometimes literal) genocide. The 90th anniversary of the Holodomor was just two weeks ago.

I've to step in here, because also native Russians starved during the Holodomor. My grandmother saw half-starved people and corpses as a child in the city

In fact more Kazakhs starved than Ukrainians. The idea that the famine was confined to Ukraine is completely ahistorical.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by actionfromafar »

augustuspolius wrote: post #68
jltsiren wrote: post #63

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For me, the surprising part was learning how many Russian people I know have parents or grandparents who were born in Ukraine. I knew that Soviet Ukraine had ~50 million people. Almost 20% of the USSR, and a bit less than France, Italy, or the UK at the time. I knew that Ukraine was one of the most developed and densely populated parts of the USSR, and of the Russian Empire before that. I had some idea how the border…

Interesting - I never attributed that to moving borders. USSR had a pretty mixed society with many people moving between different republics during their lifetime (especially in the 40-60s). Don’t think borders changed much during that period.

Go back a little more in time and the borders, both geographically and culturally, are very push and pull between Moscow and Kiev.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by actionfromafar »

Waterluvian wrote: post #4
asveikau wrote: post #2

This website gives strong Russian propaganda vibes. Apparently it is owned by the Russian state. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Beyond Given all that's going on, I found it jarring that it uses the Russian spellings of Kharkiv and Kyiv. I did find the content a little interesting. The other articles on that site seem rather strange, like they exist purely to give westerners more favorable views of the Russian…

Written years ago when, let’s admit it, most of us were still writing “Kiev” because we didn’t know better and were, of course, ignorant.

There's nothing inherently wrong writing it Kiev in foreign languages. Of course, during todays Russian war of agression against Kiev and the Ukraine, it's a good show of support to write it Kyiv. But out of old habit I write Kiev most of the time.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by augustuspolius »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #74
augustuspolius wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Commenter didn’t say anything about “modern Ukraine”. Russia has been harassing Ukraine for a very long time, modern or ancient.

In that case 'Russia' was harrassing itself: the regime first established in Kiev in late X century has conquered the northern territories and spread its rule there, then lost core southern territory in the aftermath of the mongol invasions, and eventually came back, also spreading as far as to Alaska in the east.

We have to agree that either “modern Ukraine” was created in 1920s from Russians and Russian territories or there were different people on that land long before that.

If you are leaning towards the former then this could be extended even further: Soviet Union only ever harassed itself. There were no occupied Baltic states, there was no Ukraine, etc etc - just one big happy family called USSR.

Re: Video games made in the USSR (2020)

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Post by Viliam1234 »

kgeist wrote: post #59
qsort wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The association "USSR = Russians" is part of the systematic attempt by the soviet regime at cultural (and sometimes literal) genocide. The 90th anniversary of the Holodomor was just two weeks ago.

>The association "USSR = Russians" is part of the systematic attempt by the soviet regime at cultural (and sometimes literal) genocide. Using "Soviet" and "Russian" interchangeably was, in my opinion, mostly a Western phenomenon. I don't remember Soviet propaganda mixing the two. It always felt weird to me when in Cold War Hollywood movies they would refer to USSR as Russia, or Soviets as Russians. You wouldn't do it…

> Usually they put emphasis on "Soviet man", not on particular ethnicities.

Putting an emphasis on the Soviet man who always speaks Russian language, I can understand how that could create an impression of everyone being Russian.

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