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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by shepherdjerred »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #123
pjmlp wrote: post #72

Windows is still my favourite OS, but I surely am not rushing to adopt Windows 11 beyond work requirements. It is just another Vista.

> Windows is still my favourite OS Now there's an unpopular opinion if anything. I've heard the "yeah it's kind of shit, but the games/applications I use only really work with Windows" a million times, but this one is kind of new. Edit: this comment was indeed intended to be read in the context of HN crowd.

You don't know anyone that prefers Windows? It sounds like you're a bit out-of-touch.

Anyone who is familiar with Windows is going to prefer it over the alternative which, in reality, the only alternative that most people would use is macOS. People in my life who prefer Windows include:

* Pretty much anyone who went to school with me K-12, since that's what we primarily used

* Anyone who was in my CS program in college since we were expected to use Windows machines, and most graduates when on to companies where devs used Windows

* Anyone at any of my previous jobs who wasn't in a developer role (save the rare manager who has strong preferences)

* Anyone who play video games on a desktop aside from those who are technically inclined

I personally prefer macOS/Linux. I use Windows when I have to. Most people find Windows to be fine. Regardless of validity, I rarely hear non-tech people complain about the issues with Windows that HN rants about.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by II2II »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #154
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

>Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge I'm wondering how does this happen? I have Chrome as the default browser on my Win11 machine for a year now, and after all the updates, Chrome is still the default. The default apps for PDF, music and video play-back were also kept between updates. Updates never did anything funky for me, just added improvements and new features, which kept me contempt…

I can only speak for Windows 10, but I have noticed that Windows behaves differently when updating Home and Pro versions. For example: I noticed the Home edition would reinstall removed apps on certain updates, while the Pro edition would not.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by oefrha »

ramesh31 wrote: post #54

>More attempts to impose Edge I don't particularly mind this. Apple already forces Safari down our throats at every turn. And Edge is honestly a pretty great browser. Unless you're a Mozilla purist, there's really no better choice on Windows at this point.

> Edge is honestly a pretty great browser

Edge is the only browser I’ve ever used that tries to sell me some sort of credit card deal or reward points or some shit. Got a popup just yesterday when testing a browser extension of mine on Edge.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by mhh__ »

vips7L wrote: post #102
mhh__ wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soo niche except for 99.99999% of devs

A lot of devs don’t want to tinker with Linux. Myself included. And this is disregarding all of the work places that only give out Windows or MacOS machines.

The comment I am replying to says that computers with keyboards are niche, that's what I'm replying to

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by nicbou »

progman32 wrote: post #197

Linux/*BSD may still be that awkward friend who sometimes misreads your intentions and causes awkward moments or knocks glasses over, but at least tries to respect you (snapd excepted). Windows these days doesn't seem to respect you. There's a difference in my mind between struggling to make your computer do something (because nobody made it easy yet) and struggling to make your computer do something (because a marke…

Windows is the guy that makes you watch your drink at all times, because he clearly doesn't take no as an answer.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by mhh__ »

vips7L wrote: post #102
mhh__ wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Soo niche except for 99.99999% of devs

A lot of devs don’t want to tinker with Linux. Myself included. And this is disregarding all of the work places that only give out Windows or MacOS machines.

Also I've spent a grand total of 30 minutes tinkering with my Linux machines this year, windows has had to be reinstalled twice.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by barbariangrunge »

dehrmann wrote: post #176
jimmaswell wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish antitrust enforcement focused on this stuff again. Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?

Microsoft also used to have 90% market share. It's less impressive now that Mac is a viable competitor and iOS and Android are good enough for 80% of common tasks.

By viable competitor, do you mean OS that I can’t possibly use for work or for proper gaming? Mac isn’t any more viable than Ubuntu, which is why I have an Ubuntu laptop (But a windows desktop, by utter necessity)

(Edit: Actually, when it comes to gaming, Linux is getting better and better)

80% of common tasks isn’t enough when part of the remaining 20% is absolutely necessary for work

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by WalterBright »

jimmaswell wrote: post #155
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

I wish antitrust enforcement focused on this stuff again. Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?

> Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?

The very first MS-DOS also included a text editor - for free! Oh, the humanity! Those evil Redmondians!

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by SCLeo »

lynndotpy wrote: post #187
mancerayder wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This message is 20 years old. Many of us long for the utopia of a Linux desktop that just works, where drivers are up to date and X windows doesn't die due to a yum/apt-get update. This feels like a future parody thread where someone will make fun of our comments.

This had been the opposite of my experience though. Maybe I got lucky with hardware, but I've never had issues with out-of-date drivers (outside of CUDA dependencies for research work) or having X or Gnome or whatnot break during an update. But, I need to use Windows at my employer, and it's horrible. I wish Windows were at a point where it was ready for development. Right now, the best dev setup is "install Linux in…

My Nvidia driver literally just died last week or the week before. I had to reinstall it to make it work.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

a2tech wrote: post #195
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge I'm wondering how does this happen? I have Chrome as the default browser on my Win11 machine for a year now, and after all the updates, Chrome is still the default. The default apps for PDF, music and video play-back were also kept between updates. Updates never did anything funky for me, just added improvements and new features, which kept me contempt…

You're extremely lucky then. On our (very large, very strictly managed Windows 10 fleet) Edge is CONSTANTLY becoming the default PDF handler. Its a real PITA and MS has failed to give admins the tools to manage this correctly. These anti customer dark patterns are going to drive a wedge into the golden goose of corporate sales. At the same place as in my first statement, Macs are slowly showing up in places you'd nev…

> Someone over there needs to get their head out of their corporate ass and see the writing on the wall and turn the ship before it hits the iceberg they're heading at under full steam

It was probably some manager's KPI at Microsoft to increase Edge market share so he decided that forcing Edge to default everytime would push him ahead and get him that sweet promotion.

Microsoft lacks a common vision for Windows and good leadership. As with the products of any massive corporation, Windows now feels like a product built "by committee", a result from various internal turf wars, where every manager or gang tries to push their agenda to gain visibility inside the org to show something at their next performance review and hopefully get promoted, at the expense of the end-user and the OS being universally hated by consumers and businesses. "So, what did your team achieve last year? Well, I was in charge of putting Candy-Crush and other partner-network ads in the Star Menu, giving us an extra 10 Million USD a year. Great, the investors and bean counters will love the extra revenue. HR will contact you about your promotion. Congrats!"

I think much of Apple's success was Jobs dogfooding every product being developed before giving the final go ahead for shipping. I wish Satya Nadela and other higher ups there would dogfood fresh installs of Windows (not the images provided by their IT department) and see the horrible mess they're shipping to their customers. Then Nadela and those execs should ask themselves, "Would I actually want to spend money on this and have to live with it every day? If not, what could I fix to make it desirable so that others would want to buy it?". This way of consumer first thinking allowed Jobs to make Apple what it is today.

Microsoft needs to put in charge of Windows someone who's in touch with consumers and business to guide this project with an iron fist instead of letting various committees and gangs sneak their own agendas in the end product. But I think Microsoft just doesn't care that much about Windows anymore and is instead focusing on Azure & cloud, OneDrive, Office365, Xbox and buying game studios, etc. so Windows is slowly rotting away unnoticed by those at the helm.

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