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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by coder543 » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

null_object wrote: post #13

BirAdam wrote: post #8

This kind of crap is what made Windows 10 unusable for me. Everything was infuriating. I’m not a fanboy of anything either. Win2K was great. macOS 10.1-10.4 was wonderful. BeOS, RISCOS, IRIX, NeXT, and even DRDOS have warm places in my heart. These days, I use macOS because I find it the least annoying. It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows. Linux and BSD a…

> It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows I’m genuinely intrigued by which approval dialogs and notifications you find so hostile in MacOS? If it’s SIP or Gatekeeper you’re talking about, there are easily implemented workarounds. Otherwise I really can’t think of any “notifications” from the OS

Just to provide one example, I definitely have seen macOS pop up notifications advertising that Safari is better than everything else, and I should switch back to Safari.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by sharikous » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

Windows as a curated platform is a lost case at this point. They probably don't make enough money from it to justify investment.

Their market is the enterprise world where they have a lock in, plus gamers and PC users who cannot afford a Mac. It shows.

Not a problem for me. I have no issue using a bad OS if a company is paying me for using it, and at home I don't use Windows.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by QuadrupleA » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:05 PM UTC

Sorry for an emotional expletive-laden post here, but this enrages me so much. My computer is my main professional and creative tool, and for MS to do this shit without my permission or control (like it already does with fucking Edge and OneDrive nags every time it installs an update) feels so exploitative, greedy, and evil.

And stupid - their execs are chasing myopic short term gains with aggressive stongarm tactics, while long-term I and probably a million others are running for the exit, and doing our best to never use Windows, Azure, Outlook, Office etc again.

So few companies out there seen to care about their long term reputation.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ramesh31 » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

>More attempts to impose Edge

I don't particularly mind this. Apple already forces Safari down our throats at every turn. And Edge is honestly a pretty great browser. Unless you're a Mozilla purist, there's really no better choice on Windows at this point.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by tapoxi » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

wincy wrote: post #26

GiorgioG wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you play AAA titles, you’re not moving away from Windows.

Why? Looking at top PC games lists of 2022, almost all of them are supported on Steam Deck. All the games I’ve played on there run fantastically well. On a sale I bought Assassin’s Creed Odyssey which is an older AAA game and Steam Deck even runs fine.

Anti-Cheat. Most multiplayer shooters will refuse to run under Linux.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by secondcoming » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:06 PM UTC

sharikous wrote: post #52

Windows as a curated platform is a lost case at this point. They probably don't make enough money from it to justify investment. Their market is the enterprise world where they have a lock in, plus gamers and PC users who cannot afford a Mac. It shows. Not a problem for me. I have no issue using a bad OS if a company is paying me for using it, and at home I don't use Windows.

I don't use a Mac because they're overpriced. The new CPUs are interesting but the rest of it can go do one.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by yoyohello13 » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:07 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #30

JSRR1991 wrote: post #5

Bad time to be pushing this crap with the Linux desktop wooing the gaming/ power user overlap crowd now that steam deck is on the scene. I have been using Windows my whole life but now I have a PC dedicated to Linux for the 1st time and I'm thinking about seeing one up for my wife, as I'm sure Linux will be perform better on the older laptop I'm considering 'upcycling'. People forget that tech trends often flow outwa…

If anything, I think it's the other way around. WSL2 is now so good, that you can get away with not needing Linux at all.

I pretty much live in WSL2 at work. While it makes Windows tolerable, it's not even close to as good as a full Linux desktop.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by SV_BubbleTime » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:08 PM UTC

soulofmischief wrote: post #20

datatrashfire wrote: post #14

After years of thinking "wsl2 is enough for me", I switched to fedora as an experiment and I have not looked back once.

Welcome to the fold, friend. Stoked to see another soul has seen through the smokescreen.

Yes, I’ve always thought that OS discussions needs more tribalism.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by butz » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

What about using a custom shell on Windows 11? I remember using LiteStep, bbLean and geoShell on my old Windows 98 and XP. If they are no longer developed, this might be a niche market for Windows 11 users who are tired of constant "improvements". I bet some users would be very happy with "classic" Windows 7 shell too.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by cjbgkagh » Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 5:09 PM UTC

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #22

veridies wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP's point is that there's one more major use case — gaming — for which Windows has a newly viable competitor. It's not that Linux is going to replace Windows, but that Windows could suffer a death by a thousand cuts. I'll note that more and more offices that I encounter seem to be switching to Chromebooks.

People keep saying this and then run into minor problems becoming bigger problems because frequently used programs end up being unusable or 3rd class citizen, behind both mobile and Mac users. Unless Linux is braindead easy to use without frustrations, it won't happen. Gamers pay more for lesser ease of access increases.

Many people highly value continuity, if it’s working it should keep working the same way for a very long time. Once a Linux computer is working, even if it’s more work to get it to that state, keeping it working is much easier than with Windows. Using updates to force major breaking changes should be a crime.