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Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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> American Airlines Capt. Michael Johnston died of a heart-attack mid-flight from Phoenix to Boston early Monday morning, his wife Betty Jean Johnston told NBC News. https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/american-airlines-ca... So, if he was the only pilot in cockpit, everyone on the flight would have died too?

A risk the airlines are willing to take ..

Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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The pilot shortage is all up and down the stack, including in GA [1], commercial, and military. There simply isn’t enough pilots anywhere in the pipeline. It doesn’t help that most PPLs tend towards wealthy professionals who sure as hell aren’t sitting in an aluminum tube nonstop six to twenty hours at a time. Instead of using pilots’ love of flying to siphon off recruits from other professions theyve used it to keep…

The sad thing about GA is that it’s just so cost prohibitive. You’re talking tens of thousands of dollars just to get the basic license, and even then it’s not that practically useful (you can’t even fly at night or in weather without an instrument rating). I would love to get my PP, but even in a well-paying field it’s just inaccessible without dedicating a lot more than I’m ready to give.

> you can’t even fly at night or in weather without an instrument rating

Minor nit: You can fly at night with a Private Pilot's certificate, but it must be under VFR like all your daytime flying.

Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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> What would it take to drop flight prices 50%? 1. Free fuel. Fuel is the biggest cost of flights. For domestic flights, about half the ticket cost. 2. No taxes/government mandated fees (including fuel taxes). These are the second biggest cost, and for international flights, can easily be half the ticket price, but for domestic flights, about 20% of the ticket price. 3. Free planes. Planes are the third biggest cost.…

What about airport slots and fees?

I rolled that into mandatory fees, assuming the airport was owned by the government. I know there are for-profit private airports, but I was keeping things simple. And yes, airports have to be paid for, as do planes, labor, administration, and fuel :) But we are assuming magical powers here, or the ability to provide all of these services for half the cost.

Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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But would that pilot have to be in the plane to fly it? We have been using remote controlled killer drones for years now.

Just look at the MCAS disaster. The only override that wasn't under its control required someone present in the cockpit to basically physically lift the plane using a normally automated control. This illustrates two things: First the design of the software used in commercial airplanes is bat shit insane and second, the fallbacks require that a trained person is physically present on the plane. > We have been using re…

I know a bit about the MCAS disaster. Very few people know that there were *three* incidences of MCAS runaway trim. What happened with the third one (which was actually the first incident)? It didn't crash. The pilot just turned off the stab trim system.

The override was there, it was always there. The thumb switches on the control column overrode it. Turning it off with the STAB TRIM CUTOFF switch turned it off.

This procedure was detailed in an Emergency Airworthiness Directive issued to all 737MAX pilots after the first crash. The pilots in the second crash did not follow that procedure.

The pilots of all three incidents used the thumb switches to override MCAS and restore normal trim. The first crew then turned off the trim and landed safely. The second crew never did turn off the trim and crashed. The third turned off the trim when the airplane was in a dive and could not recover.

Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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Since we’re going to be talking about automation quite a bit here, I found Sully’s take on automation in the cockpit to be quite relevant: > “I’VE COME across a number of people over the years who think that modern airplanes, with all their technology and automation, can almost fly themselves. That’s simply not true. Automation can lower the workload in some cases. But in other situations, using automation when it is…

I’m going to pull another quote from that section that I think also supports the idea. There are specific cases cited in the book… I just don’t think copying an entire section of a book will be as helpful at getting the ideas out here: > “Dr. Wiener[0] worried, and I agree, that the paradox of automation is that it often lowers a pilot’s workload when that load is already low. And it sometimes increases the workload…

In general, I don't understand the push of humans to want to replace everything we do with machines. What's the point? What's the end goal? We just sit in a vat of embalming fluid consuming media with a feeding tube while machines whir about? Why can't enough ever be enough for humanity?

Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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I’m going to pull another quote from that section that I think also supports the idea. There are specific cases cited in the book… I just don’t think copying an entire section of a book will be as helpful at getting the ideas out here: > “Dr. Wiener[0] worried, and I agree, that the paradox of automation is that it often lowers a pilot’s workload when that load is already low. And it sometimes increases the workload…

In general, I don't understand the push of humans to want to replace everything we do with machines. What's the point? What's the end goal? We just sit in a vat of embalming fluid consuming media with a feeding tube while machines whir about? Why can't enough ever be enough for humanity?

It's simply about avoiding labor costs and for the capitalist class to make more money. That's it.

Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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All you gotta do is watch a few episodes of "Aviation Disasters" to conclude that the pilot needs a backup - the copilot. After all, when the pilot goes to the potty, who is flying the airplane? The computer? LOL. When something unanticipated goes wrong, the computers are COMPLETELY USELESS because it wasn't programmed to deal with unanticipated problems. Me, I'll pay a bit extra for my flight to have 2 pilots. Pilot…

But would that pilot have to be in the plane to fly it? We have been using remote controlled killer drones for years now.

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Re: Airlines lobbying FAA to have only one pilot in the cockpit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just look at the MCAS disaster. The only override that wasn't under its control required someone present in the cockpit to basically physically lift the plane using a normally automated control. This illustrates two things: First the design of the software used in commercial airplanes is bat shit insane and second, the fallbacks require that a trained person is physically present on the plane. > We have been using re…

I know a bit about the MCAS disaster. Very few people know that there were *three* incidences of MCAS runaway trim. What happened with the third one (which was actually the first incident)? It didn't crash. The pilot just turned off the stab trim system. The override was there, it was always there. The thumb switches on the control column overrode it. Turning it off with the STAB TRIM CUTOFF switch turned it off. Thi…

It is also interesting that in that third incident it was the presence of a THIRD pilot in the cockpit that helped to diagnose the problem.
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