All financed by the east eu countries Austria is extracting revenue from. Perhaps a reverse of fortunes might be in order?
Could you link to anything that explains what you're talking about?
An experimental program in Austria that creates work for the unemployed
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also perhaps the least dignified work should be the highest paid? Unfortunately America has a sort of wealth cult going on that we dignify (and deify) those who are already wealthy.
The unfortunate reality is because these jobs are plentiful and easy to do (NOT saying they aren’t demanding, just that they don’t require advanced training) it incentivizes a race to the bottom in terms of wages - but we should do better as a society in guaranteeing high working standards and wages through regulation instead.
Given the jobs are plentiful, isn't that an incentive to raise the wages? If you actually want somebody at your horrible job, you have to incentivize them to do yours and not somebody else's
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#143All financed by the east eu countries Austria is extracting revenue from. Perhaps a reverse of fortunes might be in order?
Could you link to anything that explains what you're talking about?
Here is one example:
https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/eastern-europes-bigg...
Then there’s banking, oil, and other resources. And of course the audacity to veto countries schengen membership unless more control over these is granted. Hiding behind made up excuses.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the classic answer to the classic question about anarchy: "who will do the unpleasant, demeaning work?" "We only think it's unpleasant because we make it unpleasant. We can have clean, well lit factories. We just have to prioritize making that work more pleasant."
How do we make cleaning septic tanks more enjoyable?
Around here, the septic tank cleaners tend to be owner-operators. They own their tank truck and cleaning business, and they make decent money.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't disagree that it's exploitation, but I think you obscure a very complex problem with "nobody should be in such a weak position". I'm not sure any economic or legal arrangement could do away with weak positions like that entirely.
Re a very complex problem with "nobody should be in such a weak position". It is only complex if avoiding questions about the value of human dignity, and the inability of laissez faire capitalism to deliver that, need to be avoided.
Also avoiding realities of human nature.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a problem right with the motion of "uneconomic". If fixing basic infrastructure or growing food is unprofitable, but building sportscars or yachts is not... that seems to indicate a problem with the economic system of allocation of resources.
If society thinks there are too many sports cars or yachts, then it can increase marginal wealth/income/property/sales taxes. And if society thinks there is insufficient food or infrastructure, then it can pay people to make food and build infrastructure. Either way, if both are competing for the same supply of labor, only the highest bidder will get it.
Society can think whatever it wants, as long as it's only a small elite (truly) calling the shots and the will of the majority is ignored.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...
Especially https://static.cambridge.org/binary/version/id/urn:cambridge...
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I agree with your sentiment, but your anger re: housing is misdirected. Developers do not short the housing supply. Like most businesses they make more in volume than they do in margin and would happily build more units at any price range if it was legal. In the US and UK (and probably many other countries) the government has a default stance of allowing no or nearly no development without excruciatingly painful, exp…
I understand your willingness to attribute wrong behavior to the correct culprit. But, how does it come, that these procedures to get building permits have been slowed down/bureaucratized to the point that it almost seems intentional? Also, the anger is not about them intentionally shortening supply - it’s about them intentionally asking and taking the higher prices. Nobody forces them to take more than e.g. a 10% sh…
> how does it come, that these procedures to get building permits have been slowed down/bureaucratized to the point that it almost seems intentional?
It is absolutely intentional.
Those who already have serious realty want its value to go up. They don't want any new development nearby which would compete with their realty, or otherwise lower its market value due to becoming less exclusive.
Completely incidentally, these same owners are well-off people who are ready to spend a lot of time and effort talking to the city hall, sponsoring election campaigns, etc.
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> Programs don't need to be universal to work well. Love this attitude! So often on HN we see responses like "It doesnt work in , because " ... To which it seems so obvious like "then dont do it in that case?"
Is there a name for this response template? It would be helpful to be able to reference by name rather than prototype when it comes up again.
Middle aged health care?
Hey doctor, my back hurts when I do X.
Then stop doing X
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#149Wait a second, if somebody asks an overinflated way-over productivity wage for cleaning toilets because of a supply shortage, this is considered being unethical and "unwilling to do the dirty work, while receiving benefits", but asking a way way overinflated price for housing because of a supply shortage is considered good and healthy for the market and drives investment without shaming the investors for receiving un…
I agree with your sentiment, but your anger re: housing is misdirected. Developers do not short the housing supply. Like most businesses they make more in volume than they do in margin and would happily build more units at any price range if it was legal. In the US and UK (and probably many other countries) the government has a default stance of allowing no or nearly no development without excruciatingly painful, exp…
There's also many companies buying up as much real estate as possible for rent-seeking which inflates home ownership costs substantially (especially in my area).
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Full employment never works. Famous example is the soviets. Neither can UBI be penciled into an actual economy. UBI would bankrupt the nation, so would a large scale job guarantee program as described. I am never surprised. When asked to put a dollar value on a program the overeducated go on bleeting about higher order non-sense. It's hard to take any of these academic exercises seriously. Especially when they spawn…
If full employment is a pipe dream, why are we routinely treating unemployment as a personal failure?
We don't, but we do consider prolonged unemployment as a personal failure.
Having Short-term unemployment is fine and a sign of a working economy where people move between companies. Long-term unemployment is something else entirely: it's a sign of people quitting the labor market and deciding not to contribute to society.
People here love Marx, yet they keep forgetting what he had to say on that issue: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". Long-term unemployment means you're not giving according to your ability (and thus shouldn't receive according to your needs).