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Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by epgui »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #228
mindslight wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's important to not deprecate individuals' personal informed good faith opinions in favor of the top-down overprescriptive medical system. But this concern doesn't apply to the main contingent of unvaccinated, either. The sheer majority of the vaccine hesitant have had their head pumped full of nonsense by the anti-American narratives of Fox News and its ilk, then validated by Facebook. The common refrain isn'…

> But this concern doesn't apply to the main contingent of unvaccinated, either. > The sheer majority of the vaccine hesitant have had their head pumped full of nonsense by the anti-American narratives of Fox News and its ilk, then validated by Facebook I believe that you honestly believe this, but as a living counter example of what you describe (don't watch infotainment style news for anything but entertainment, ma…

I mean, I can’t speak for the other commenter, but there are a ton of papers studying the interaction of political beliefs and both generally anti-science views as well as opposition to public health guidance.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

epgui wrote: post #231
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But this concern doesn't apply to the main contingent of unvaccinated, either. > The sheer majority of the vaccine hesitant have had their head pumped full of nonsense by the anti-American narratives of Fox News and its ilk, then validated by Facebook I believe that you honestly believe this, but as a living counter example of what you describe (don't watch infotainment style news for anything but entertainment, ma…

I mean, I can’t speak for the other commenter, but there are a ton of papers studying the interaction of political beliefs and both generally anti-science views as well as opposition to public health guidance.

I think we're not quite on the same page. The comment I was responding to mentioned "the unvaccinated" and "the vaccine hesitant", I'm assuming specifically with respect to covid vaccines.

I know a lot of people immediately translate that to "anti-science" or "antivax" (a word that I really think has lost all usefulness on account of everyone having a different set of people in mind when they use it), and/or conservative/republican/maga whatever, but again, as a living counter example of that, that translation doesn't happen in my head, and it makes me do a double take when I see it.

So my question for parent wasn't "do conservatives/republicans/infotainment viewers exist in large numbers?". It was "how many of the unvaccinated/vaccine hesitant are the sort of people that make it onto your radar?" Obviously you can't miss the crazy uncles on your social feeds, or the cartoon characters that pundits love to cash in on, and it's easy to think the world is nothing but those people.

What you don't see are the people like me that are desperately hoping the topic doesn't come up in conversation because it's basically the equivalent of bringing up abortion when you're around the water cooler.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by t0bia_s »

epgui wrote: post #223
t0bia_s wrote: post #218

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Then you are easily manipulated. If you wont confront given information with your real experience, you could easily believe in anything that other says. And covid is exactly this case. How many healthy people died from covid that you personally knew?

I’m not sure if you’re being for real right now, but maybe you should just start by looking at the definition of “anecdotal evidence”. This is just what this is, by definition. I’m not sure what you’re going on about.

Isn't definition of anecdotal "less relevant"?

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by t0bia_s »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #221
t0bia_s wrote: post #219

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Actually it does. If we apply mandatory practices in favor of our health, why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? Where are you from?

> Actually it does. What does what? Be specific. > why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? I expect that at least tobacco, will in the long run be permanently abandoned. But how is that relevant? > Where are you from? Why do you ask? I'm not in the habit of supplying PII to antagonistic randos in the internet.

Is it relevant in reasons of excessive deaths. Even in much higher numbers than covid has.

I'm not asking for your adress, just country. To connect history and politics with your statement.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

t0bia_s wrote: post #234
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually it does. What does what? Be specific. > why don't we absolutely abandon things that clearly damage our health? I expect that at least tobacco, will in the long run be permanently abandoned. But how is that relevant? > Where are you from? Why do you ask? I'm not in the habit of supplying PII to antagonistic randos in the internet.

Is it relevant in reasons of excessive deaths. Even in much higher numbers than covid has. I'm not asking for your adress, just country. To connect history and politics with your statement.

> I'm not asking for your adress, just country.

Yet you asked a very different question, where are you _from_.

> To connect history and politics with your statement

Ah yes, the old "You're mired in your specific history, but I'm objective" nonsense. GTFO.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

t0bia_s wrote: post #233
epgui wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure if you’re being for real right now, but maybe you should just start by looking at the definition of “anecdotal evidence”. This is just what this is, by definition. I’m not sure what you’re going on about.

Isn't definition of anecdotal "less relevant"?

No.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

t0bia_s wrote: post #237
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #236

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No.

Ok, what is the definition of "anecdotal" in this case? Funny?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Seriously, why bother commenting if you haven't got that far.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by t0bia_s »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #238
t0bia_s wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, what is the definition of "anecdotal" in this case? Funny?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence Seriously, why bother commenting if you haven't got that far.

Dude.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by ohCh6zos »

sofixa wrote: post #184
ohCh6zos wrote: post #149

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Shame is you might actually get what you are asking for. Edit: Morally why would someone be obligated to pay attention to the majority? Morality isn't up for mob rule.

> Edit: Morally why would someone be obligated to pay attention to the majority? Morality isn't up for mob rule During a pandemic and public health crisis? It absolutely is.

That isn't how morals work. If your moral changes because of the demands of a mob, or a time of crisis you do not have a moral, you were always flexiable.
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