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Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by bhauer »

electrondood wrote: post #183
epgui wrote: post #83

The failure to understand the context of the quote is palpable in both the article and comments. This is a standard legal argument used as a defence against allegations of fraud, and it’s not a judgment of how successful (or not) the product is. The only thing it means is “notwithstanding whether we’ve achieved our goals, we have been honest and well-intentioned”.

Thank you. People here are just reacting to the headline and general dislike of Musk.

It's really as bad as Reddit in here. I would expect better from a technical audience.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #241
gumboza wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does run a cult. My father finds Musk entirely reputable. I am currently subject to at least a 30 minute call a day from him, a retired model S owner, who has nothing left in his life other than the Tesla. The calls are 30 minutes of him reeling off Tesla PR bollocks. He chased everyone he knew away, speaks of nothing else and cannot see reason or error in this or any of Musk's things. He thinks the Twitter thing…

America is not becoming atheist. People are just substituting God with false idols and cults. That deep need to believe in something bigger than self is not going away, it will always be there, it can be filled with religion or something else. I believe the least destructive way to fill it is with sports affiliation so I won't be so cynic about the SuperBowl hype come this February

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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by Der_Einzige »

gumboza wrote: post #165
coolbreezetft22 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I'd imagine Tesla is better off with Musk being distracted by his shiny new toy. Though I'd be concerned about the effect he is having on their brand image. Even two years ago I was on the verge of buying a Tesla but ended up cancelling my order in large part because I just couldn't stand the obnoxiousness of Elon and he has gotten orders of magnitude worse since then. His new "demographic"/cult also se…

He does run a cult. My father finds Musk entirely reputable. I am currently subject to at least a 30 minute call a day from him, a retired model S owner, who has nothing left in his life other than the Tesla. The calls are 30 minutes of him reeling off Tesla PR bollocks. He chased everyone he knew away, speaks of nothing else and cannot see reason or error in this or any of Musk's things. He thinks the Twitter thing…

This is not even the only case of Elon musk related psychosis that I've heared of.

Sometimes I legitimately believe that the SCP foundation or something like it is real because it feels like elites who are totally asses have reality distortion fields around them.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by fnordpiglet »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #190
snek_case wrote: post #147

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It's very different from the approach taken by Waymo and Cruise. Tesla's FSD uses vision only, and it's available everywhere in the US and Canada. The fact that it can complete most drives successfully (~90% of the time) without intervention in any city in the US or Canada is pretty impressive IMO. The parent poster is right, I've been watching the progress and it's gotten probably 20 to 50 times more reliable in the…

> ~90% of the time This is the thing that always baffles me about self driving - while it may be very cool and impressive from a technology perspective, and while of course no technology can start out as completely bug free, when it comes to driving, anything less than 99.9999% success is a worse driving experience. That is, until I can take a nap in my car, or read a book, or whatever, what's really the point? If I…

In stop an go traffic in a city just having to be aware of whether it’s about to murder you is a blessing compared to screaming and shaking your fist at everyone on the road. There’s a lot of advantage to being able to zone out with highway driving attention vs active driving. I don’t need it to let me sleep, I just need it to do most of the thinking and I just monitor it’s performance - the cognitive load of that is very low vs active driving.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by nolls »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #241
gumboza wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does run a cult. My father finds Musk entirely reputable. I am currently subject to at least a 30 minute call a day from him, a retired model S owner, who has nothing left in his life other than the Tesla. The calls are 30 minutes of him reeling off Tesla PR bollocks. He chased everyone he knew away, speaks of nothing else and cannot see reason or error in this or any of Musk's things. He thinks the Twitter thing…

America is not becoming atheist. People are just substituting God with false idols and cults. That deep need to believe in something bigger than self is not going away, it will always be there, it can be filled with religion or something else. I believe the least destructive way to fill it is with sports affiliation so I won't be so cynic about the SuperBowl hype come this February

Literally. People thought the death of God would bring enlightenment to society. Instead, God was replaced by stupid idols. You only have to look at the resurgence of astrology among young women.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by TomSwirly »

treeman79 wrote: post #206
coolbreezetft22 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point I'd imagine Tesla is better off with Musk being distracted by his shiny new toy. Though I'd be concerned about the effect he is having on their brand image. Even two years ago I was on the verge of buying a Tesla but ended up cancelling my order in large part because I just couldn't stand the obnoxiousness of Elon and he has gotten orders of magnitude worse since then. His new "demographic"/cult also se…

Of course your option has nothing to do with him exposing all the censorship that was going on at twitter. Amazing how much a group of people have gone from loving him to hating him because he is allowing free speech.

> him exposing all the censorship that was going on at twitter.

What you mean is that Elon Musk has made a series of self-contradictory claims with no evidence about what was going on at Twitter before he was there, and you believed his empty claims unquestioningly.

I don't generally accept claims without proof, because no rational person should. When we're talking about a serial liar like Musk,

> Amazing how much a group of people have gone from loving him to hating him because he is allowing free speech.

Nope, there's no proof he's doing that, either, and plenty of serious researchers on the left who have been thrown off the platform with no reason given.

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You should learn to demand proof for people's claims before repeating them unquestioningly. It will help the quality of your belief systems.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by joering2 »

alsodumb wrote: post #70
joering2 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Tesla revolutionary? We had electric cars (on Moon!!) in 1969 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle

We had social media before Facebook/instagram era too. Heck we had electric cars before gasoline powered cars became a thing. I think it’s obvious at this point that Tesla was the first to bring commercial electric vehicles in production at scale, and the first to make it compete with ICE vehicles for the masses - well beyond the niche who’ve been using an electric car since Leaf era.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary

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Post by joering2 »

bagels wrote: post #62
joering2 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Tesla revolutionary? We had electric cars (on Moon!!) in 1969 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Roving_Vehicle

The Tesla is slightly more comfortable, convenient, and I don't have to commission a whole Apollo program to get one.

That's all true, however... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolutionary

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Post by [deleted] »

bagels wrote: post #236
epgui wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claims about what will happen in the future and on what timeline are obviously speculative and best guesses at best. No reasonable person would interpret them any other way.

"If you give me $10,000 today, tomorrow I will deliver your car" ... Three years later: "I'll deliver your car tomorrow"

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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpinJack_Cash wrote: post #241
gumboza wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He does run a cult. My father finds Musk entirely reputable. I am currently subject to at least a 30 minute call a day from him, a retired model S owner, who has nothing left in his life other than the Tesla. The calls are 30 minutes of him reeling off Tesla PR bollocks. He chased everyone he knew away, speaks of nothing else and cannot see reason or error in this or any of Musk's things. He thinks the Twitter thing…

America is not becoming atheist. People are just substituting God with false idols and cults. That deep need to believe in something bigger than self is not going away, it will always be there, it can be filled with religion or something else. I believe the least destructive way to fill it is with sports affiliation so I won't be so cynic about the SuperBowl hype come this February

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