Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by amelius » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:36 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #4

MichaelZuo wrote: post #2

It might be a plausible argument for stuff sold 6 years ago when the future was uncertain. But in 2022 I'm not seeing how it's plausible as an excuse. Considering it's still being sold and marketed as 'Full self driving'. Clearly even level 4 autonomy is far beyond what any near future technology is capable of. If at the very least due to the fact that a very commonly encountered condition, construction work, effecti…

Pretend you don’t know anything about the different levels. You’re just a random person looking to buy a car. What does “full self driving” sound like to you?

Depends if you read the fine print.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by philjohn » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:37 PM UTC

trident5000 wrote: post #9

This header is misleading. Lawyers are making a legal point, not a prediction on the tech or where it stands and certainly not saying "its a failure". They don't even have the technical insight to make that assertion.

Doctoring a video though ...

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by SCAQTony » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

sudhirj wrote: post #3

Saying you want to climb Mount Everest and not being able to get all the way to the top is failure, not fraud. The fact that Musk charged people to watch muddies the waters a bit, though.

I would venture to say that attempting to climb Mount Everest and failing but saying you had indeed climbed Mount Everest would be a fraud. How many times did Elon Musk say he climbed "Mount Everest" or "we have a fully self driving car now" when Tesla didn't?

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by 0xbadc0de5 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

I've owned Tesla's since 2016. At no time did I base my purchases on what the cars might be able to do in the future, only what they can do right now. Nor did I see any compelling reason to donate $10k - $15k to their R&D effort. The cars were compelling enough on their own merits and remain so. The FSD fiasco really does a disservice to what is otherwise a revolutionary car company producing excellent automobiles.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by trident5000 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:38 PM UTC

philjohn wrote: post #12

trident5000 wrote: post #9

This header is misleading. Lawyers are making a legal point, not a prediction on the tech or where it stands and certainly not saying "its a failure". They don't even have the technical insight to make that assertion.

Doctoring a video though ...

No post body was provided.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by jleyank » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:39 PM UTC

MichaelZuo wrote: post #2

It might be a plausible argument for stuff sold 6 years ago when the future was uncertain. But in 2022 I'm not seeing how it's plausible as an excuse. Considering it's still being sold and marketed as 'Full self driving'. Clearly even level 4 autonomy is far beyond what any near future technology is capable of. If at the very least due to the fact that a very commonly encountered condition, construction work, effecti…

What about non California weather? I imagine radar might handle fog, but driving rain as in Carolina or serious snow as in Canada?

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by qzw » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:39 PM UTC

You know, where Theranos went wrong was not selling some other thing and then tack on their “Full blood test in just one drop” thing as an add-on. Oh and making sure it’s labeled beta. That’s very important.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by rootusrootus » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:40 PM UTC

jakelazaroff wrote: post #4

MichaelZuo wrote: post #2

It might be a plausible argument for stuff sold 6 years ago when the future was uncertain. But in 2022 I'm not seeing how it's plausible as an excuse. Considering it's still being sold and marketed as 'Full self driving'. Clearly even level 4 autonomy is far beyond what any near future technology is capable of. If at the very least due to the fact that a very commonly encountered condition, construction work, effecti…

Pretend you don’t know anything about the different levels. You’re just a random person looking to buy a car. What does “full self driving” sound like to you?

The only time I touch the controls on the car is to input the address I want to be driven to.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by perardi » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

Well fortunately Tesla has a laser-focused CEO that is devoting his time to making sure a feature which he clearly stated was absolutely critical is being responsibly developed and marketed.

Really grateful for that—I’d hate to think this publicly traded company that had a sky-high valuation that was, in part, based off this promise was being led by somebody who is off in the weeds worried about social media or something.

Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud

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Post by fbdab103 » Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

If only Madoff had tried this trick. He did not commit fraud against investors - he had really hoped to make them that much money, but he failed to do it.