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Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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Two bits of advice from something of a polyglot here:

Languages aren't something you learn, they are something you join.

With Duolingo, take a second language along with the primary one. No, not German or French. Scroll all the way down to the bottom and select Latin, or Klingon, or Dothraki, something really short and just for kicks. That way when you are stuck in your primary language, you can switch to the fun language and keep up the habit. Duolingo is all about keeping up that habit. Also, you get to learn another 'language' and checking that off feels good and makes it so that you want to be a polyglot.

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this is one of the problems Germany has. Lots of moaning about immigrants failing to integrate, no real effort on the part of the bulk of the existing population to help them integrate, including such luxuries as "talking" and "listening". Your attitude would be unthinkable in the UK or the US but is everywhere in Germany. I can see why communities like Turkish one are often considered as having failed to integ…

There was an article in the Economist 10-15 years ago about the prevalence of English throughout the world and the typical explanations for it were listed: the British Empire followed by post WWII American economic and entertainment hegemony. But they also pointed to an unsung advantage - no one really cares if you speak it poorly.

>But they also pointed to an unsung advantage - no one really cares if you speak it poorly.

Surely this is just a consequence of that fact that the majority of the world's English speakers speak English as a second language. As a native English speaker you're constantly hearing people speak bad English, so you're naturally somewhat desensitized.

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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The first thing that poked my eyes in this article was the "Czech" sentence in the illustration which is just totally wrong... Even when we ignore the missing diacritics, "isi" is not a word in Czech. It's probably a typo from "Jedl si ten žlutý sníh?", although that translates to "Did you eat the yellow snow?", not "Why are you eating the yellow snow?" like the caption suggests which would be translated to "Proč jíš ten žlutý sníh?"...

Looks kinda bad in an article about language learning in a serious newspaper like Bloomberg... unless it's also mistranslated in duolingo in which case I think it should have been explained...

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

#204

Two bits of advice from something of a polyglot here: Languages aren't something you learn, they are something you join. With Duolingo, take a second language along with the primary one. No, not German or French. Scroll all the way down to the bottom and select Latin, or Klingon, or Dothraki, something really short and just for kicks. That way when you are stuck in your primary language, you can switch to the fun lan…

> you get to learn another 'language'

But "languages aren't something you learn" right?

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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I really like Duolingo as a way to practice (Spanish) every day, on top of a foundation of via-zoom language classes for 2h/day over a couple months from Baselang, and living in a Spanish speaking place (Puerto Rico), traveling to Spanish speaking places, etc. I don't really interact with people locally in Spanish all that much at home, and beyond basic transactional interactions at the airport, shooting range, and costco, can easily go a month+ without speaking Spanish, so it's nice to have a consistent motivation to practice.

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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Something that bothers me both about Duolingo and Rosetta Stone (and similar apps...) is that they don't let you fail enough. What I mean is - when you were first learning your native language, you probably mispronounced lots of things and didn't understand the grammar. But you kept going, learning as you went. Duolingo et al. want you to get the pronunciation of things correct before they will let you go on to the n…

In adult language learning, practicing pronunciation early is far, far easier than fixing it later. Correcting bad pronunciation habits is extremely hard once engrained, but learning it the right way early isn't as hard as people think. Most courses don't focus on this enough IMO, resulting in people with hard-to-understand accents, which makes them feel less confident when practicing speech as they're asked to keep repeating themselves.

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

#207

Two bits of advice from something of a polyglot here: Languages aren't something you learn, they are something you join. With Duolingo, take a second language along with the primary one. No, not German or French. Scroll all the way down to the bottom and select Latin, or Klingon, or Dothraki, something really short and just for kicks. That way when you are stuck in your primary language, you can switch to the fun lan…

> you get to learn another 'language' But "languages aren't something you learn" right?

Sarah Connor's explosion gif

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

#208
The best method for learning a new language I have ever come across is a combo of Language Transfer + Anki flash cards and making a serious effort to study them 4-7 times per week.

It’s incredible how quickly I started learning doing this every day for 6 straight months despite not having anyone to actually talk with or any media to consume in the new language.

Eventually, I started taking in person classes for the language, which has helped too, but after 3 courses, I still haven’t come close to the level I had learned via Language Transfer and regular self study. Language Transfer taught me quite advance concepts much quicker than traditional classes did.

I would say I learned more studying Greek in 6 months via that method than I did in 5 years learning Spanish via traditional classes. After an additional 5 years (10 years total) studying Spanish, I’ve become highly proficient. It blows my mind how quickly I’ve been able to learn Greek. The way the language is taught in Language Transfer is so intuitive. I wish it had been around when I learned Spanish.

My experience with Duolingo over the years is learning a pretty minimal amount. It’s like a worse version of Anki. It’s mostly fluff. The gamified concept is clever, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired. If you enjoy doing it in addition to the methods I listed above, then I’m sure that can’t hurt. However, I’d recommend avoiding it and using your valuable time on the methods above. I can’t emphasize enough how remarkable my learning path for Greek has been.

P.S. If you’re really craving a gamified learning supplement, try Clozemaster once you’re at a high enough level of proficiency.

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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Has anyone tried "Language Transfer" to learn a foreign language? I've done a few of the lessons and it's so incredibly intuitive. They use concepts and patterns in the listener's native language to learn concepts in the target language. Surprisingly, It's completely free (please donate if you can) https://www.languagetransfer.org/complete-spanish

Yes, see my comment here[0]. I highly recommend it as someone who loves learning languages.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33933602

Re: Can Duolingo actually teach you Spanish?

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post #68

I've been trying to learn Greek, but it's a pain! First, they went overboard with gamification - now, I spend most of my time keeping my place in the Diamond League, not learning new stuff. Sadly, you earn more XP not learning new stuff, so, gamification goes against the learning goals. Another issue is that the scoring is in the app and different versions of the app reward you differently for the same thing - that's…

See my comment[0] on successfully learning Greek.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33933602

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