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World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by xh-dude »

cm2187 wrote: post #71
vermilingua wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because in most western countries, insurance and workers compensation laws result in safer working conditions.

Not really a story I have followed but the numbers I see after a quick search suggest this is another bullshit story. This website (first result on google, I don't particularly vouch for it [1]) suggests in 2020, 340 workers died every day from hazardous working conditions in the US. If you scale it to the population of Qatar, that's about 3 per day, or 20 per week. The guardian claims 12 migrant workers died per wee…

The next stat line says “4,764 workers were killed on the job in the United States.” in 2020.

I’m not sure we’re given clarity here - rhetorically, ok, fine, but the math doesn’t line up quite this way.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by matkoniecz »

BurningFrog wrote: post #61
m12k wrote: post #10

It seems pretty obvious that a totalitarian petrostate, that bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push, doesn't care. What matters is whether we care that they don't care. What matters is whether we care that our sports institutions are massively corrupt.

Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue

> There is also not much anyone can do about it.

For start, do not watch their events, and ignore them as far as possible.

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Reject hosting events organised by them. The same goes for olympics, fortunately most people are noticing that it is a waste of money.

(my city overwhelmingly rejected applying for winter olympics hosting after grassroot campaign by local people - I also participated in it a bit)

69.72% against, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Krak%C3%B3w_referendum

Reducing public funding for professional sports would be also nice.

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by omnibrain »

BurningFrog wrote: post #61
m12k wrote: post #10

It seems pretty obvious that a totalitarian petrostate, that bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push, doesn't care. What matters is whether we care that they don't care. What matters is whether we care that our sports institutions are massively corrupt.

Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue

You know, the FIFA is an association. It has members. The members either set the rules, or they are complicit.

Now you say, oh, the members won't do anything. They are willing complicits. Guess what. They are also associtations and have members. In the end your local football club is a member of a local association, that is member of a national association, that is member of FIFA.

Why not start there. Start an initiative in your local club, that they take action on the next level, that they take action on the next level, etc. If you local club takes that up, but the next level ignores it, use your contacts to neighbouring clubs. If still nothing happens start an initiative that your club leaves the association.

If your local club prefers to do nothing, they are complicits as well. But you can leave. Get your friends to leave. You can still play football. Just meet up at a field. Place some posts. But stop complaining about the corrupt FIFA.

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Post by Yaa101 »

jackmott42 wrote: post #69
BurningFrog wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue

Quite a lot of really simple solutions actually. But modern reasonable people who are offended by evil are too nice to get rid of it like they should.

Not too nice but too cowardice, they don't want to deal with the moral psychological fallout of killing evil people, they rather sit in a corner and weep about how evil the world is.

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Post by coding123 »

capableweb wrote: post #38
bjornsing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a suggested causal link here…?

It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…

He had non covid coughing diagnosed as bronchitis a couple days before

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by lzaaz »

capableweb wrote: post #38
bjornsing wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a suggested causal link here…?

It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…

Another one for the pile of "died suddenly"

Re: World Cup Daily, Day 25

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Post by harimau777 »

Aeolun wrote: post #53
donatj wrote: post #26

Maybe I am just cynical, but I highly doubt many leaders would actually care about a worker’s death. Most would like have the decorum and PR experience to feign shock, but I doubt you’d get more than an empty “oh that’s terrible“ from most in power. To me the fact that anyone would find this shocking is the most shocking part as it implies people are believing politicians facades.

I don’t think that’s very unreasonable? In a analytical sense it’s bad of course, you don’t want workers to die if you can prevent it, but you cannot really expect me to care about every person that dies. This person is just very blunt about stating as much, or maybe they don’t care in the first sense either, and they wouldn’t change anything for the better even if they had opportunity to.

I think the issue may be that humans have social norms which dictate that we express that we care. If someone flouts that norm then it implies that there is something significantly wrong with them.

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Post by actionfromafar »

coding123 wrote: post #86
capableweb wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…

He had non covid coughing diagnosed as bronchitis a couple days before

Yeah, that doesn’t say anything. Iff it was poisoning, it’s like saying somebody who died from blood loss after a gun wound died from iron deficiency.
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