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EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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“You can’t buy a car without permission” sounds tyrannical to me.

Well there is no law forcing a salesperson to accept cash. So the permission here has little to do with the government. He is no more required to accept my bag of cash as payment than he is my vintage guitar. And while the value might be there, both are a massive hassle for the seller, so they’d simply refuse most likely.

> He is no more required to accept my bag of cash

Sometimes, the bank won’t accept your bag of cash.

One time I was in a bank branch sorting out some matter, and I overheard a conversation between the bank staff and another customer. The customer had a bag containing $100K in cash, and wanted to deposit it into their account. The bank staff were on the phone to the bank’s security office, asking for permission to accept it. They said their cash security policy limited how much cash they were allowed to have on premises at any time, accepting this deposit would put them over that limit, so they had to get approval to exceed it before they could do so. You could tell from the tone the staff used, they didn’t appreciate this customer’s behaviour

Another time, my wife went to the bank branch, because her grandfather had sent our son $50 cash for his birthday, and she wanted to put it in his bank account. She stood in line for ages, only to then be told “I’m sorry we can’t accept any more cash deposits, someone just made a big one and now we are at the limit of cash we are allowed to hold in the branch”. My wife objected it was only $50, but the bank staff said “sorry, rules are rules”. I told her in the future, one of us should just transfer the equivalent money into his bank account from our own, and then keep the cash for ourselves

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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10000€ will soon be 5000€, then 2500€... make absolutely no mistake it's all about replacing cash with "Digital Euro", something the EU will have entire control on.

Ah, good ol’ slippery slope arguments

“You will never have to show a QR code to enter a restaurant.” — France’s health minister in 2020.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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“You can’t buy a car without permission” sounds tyrannical to me.

Well there is no law forcing a salesperson to accept cash. So the permission here has little to do with the government. He is no more required to accept my bag of cash as payment than he is my vintage guitar. And while the value might be there, both are a massive hassle for the seller, so they’d simply refuse most likely.

> And while the value might be there, both are a massive hassle for the seller, so they’d simply refuse most likely.

And the "hassle" is not actually accepting cash, as that's the least of the problems. It's dealing with the risk and consequences of doing business with someone the government doesn't approve of and then getting in trouble for it (even though the car business has nothing to do with that person).

You're arguing like if the salesperson is not accepting cash out of their own free will. But you know that's not true.

Think of this as being similar to the situation where the mafia was keeping tabs on your car business and you decided to do business in a way they did not approve of. What do you think would happen? Would you say the car business isn't being forced to do business in a certain way in this situation?

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there is no law forcing a salesperson to accept cash. So the permission here has little to do with the government. He is no more required to accept my bag of cash as payment than he is my vintage guitar. And while the value might be there, both are a massive hassle for the seller, so they’d simply refuse most likely.

If that's the case then there's no need for this regulation.

I don’t see how that’s related. It’s one thing to regulate who must and must not accept cash. E.g it’s in the interest of society to mandate important functions such as buying food is always possible with cash.

The law in the article is about a size limit for cash transactions when cash is accepted. It doesn’t have anything to do with who will or must accept cash. Only that if they do, there is a limit.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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10000€ will soon be 5000€, then 2500€... make absolutely no mistake it's all about replacing cash with "Digital Euro", something the EU will have entire control on.

Ah, good ol’ slippery slope arguments

Usually they allow inflation to slowly bracket creep which has the same effect. For example the Bank Secrecy Act of 1970 sets reporting at $10K which would be ~$80K today. I've seen legislation for fines that has built in modifiers for inflation so the government knows how account for it.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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If you can't explain where it comes from. Otherwise, it's yours to do with as you please.

Why should anyone have to prove what’s in their pocket is theirs? Why not have police question people for wearing shoes that are a little too nice or seize expensive watches?

To fight organized crime by making life harder for career criminals. And yes they can and do question things which are not cash, especially expensive cars.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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Well there is no law forcing a salesperson to accept cash. So the permission here has little to do with the government. He is no more required to accept my bag of cash as payment than he is my vintage guitar. And while the value might be there, both are a massive hassle for the seller, so they’d simply refuse most likely.

> He is no more required to accept my bag of cash Sometimes, the bank won’t accept your bag of cash. One time I was in a bank branch sorting out some matter, and I overheard a conversation between the bank staff and another customer. The customer had a bag containing $100K in cash, and wanted to deposit it into their account. The bank staff were on the phone to the bank’s security office, asking for permission to acc…

> Sometimes, the bank won’t accept your bag of cash

Cash limits aside, They at least have legal requirements to know their customers and not blindly accept cash without any idea where it came from.

Edit: this isn’t an opinion this is a simple statement of fact.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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It's a spreadng practice. Australia is introducing (or may have already passed?) a similar Act with an AU $10K limit on "unapproved" cash transactions. Over the limit you'll need approval. Of course the usual loophole for the weathy applies, 3x $3,000 face value gold bullion coins [1] is under the cash transaction limit, although at a kilo each and ~$88K per in valuae, that's almost $300K in value technically under a…

3x $3000 in cash is also under the limit.

In the US, I think multiple transactions of $9K to avoid a $10K reporting threshold would be illegal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structuring

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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Why should anyone have to prove what’s in their pocket is theirs? Why not have police question people for wearing shoes that are a little too nice or seize expensive watches?

Crime. Not that difficult, is it?

Yeah, I am a bit worried that we may be too harsh but these laws combat real issues in our society.
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