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Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by JasonFruit »

chriscross wrote: post #141
JasonFruit wrote: post #126

I agree with the premise of this bill — that social media are harmful to young people — but disagree with the conclusion that therefore there must be a law. There are lots of things that can be harmful to children, like television, busy streets, caffeinated sugary sodas, and weight training, and we trust parents and other adults to guide children through those dangers, teaching them wise self-restraint along the way.…

I agree with you except that weight training/exercise has not only been shown to be safe, but also healthy in kids with normal health and development. There are extremes for sure, but the old adage that weight lifting will hurt you if you’re too young hasn’t held up to current research on the topic.

That may well be. I was trying to illustrate the broad range of activities in which we accept some risk to children, and may have been ambitious beyond my knowledge.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Shared404 »

hobotime wrote: post #147
b3morales wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wager though that if we grabbed a person from your culture from two thousand years ago they would find many differences comparing their experience of the culture with yours. It's inevitable that it will change and adapt over time. The only completely fixed culture is the one that has no participants any more.

Of course we've adapted and learned from our experience. But it's done by us and for us. Unless invited, it's reasonable to reject others imposing their values on our culture.

> it's reasonable to reject others imposing their values on our culture.

I do agree with this sentiment for all cases with a caveat (for any given culture)

- Protection of individuals must be improved/maintained. Racism and queerphobia are two obvious examples that many of us would do well to move on from within our own cultures, and will lead to youth rejecting the culture that they are raised in (in my experience)

This doesn't need to be _forced_ on any given culture, but it will be the end result, as if a given culture refuses to drop baggage that youth find unacceptable it will eventually die.

This take is largely driven by my analysis of conservative's who claim to worship Christ, but I think is generalizable across cultures.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by yamazakiwi »

pmdulaney wrote: post #115

Quoted post unavailable.

Was there a specific reason you wanted to make this a right vs left argument and then posit a nothing sandwich?

This bill will most likely garner attention but will never pass until users decide they would be ok with sharing their physical ID to login which I believe most if not all people would be happy with avoiding at all costs.

There is no way they actually believe this is the correct solution for the problem they're proposing to solve. It sounds more like a solution for something they stand to gain.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by Ao7bei3s »

pmdulaney wrote: post #148
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no social media for anyone with a condition that prevents them from driving, or anyone whose licence was seized for driving offences.

Does Texas not also issue ID cards, in addition to driver licenses, for those who need an ID but cannot or do not drive?

Are the laws going to be written such that accepting the wrong type of ID is the bigger liability, or refusing to accept someone who has a correct but unusual ID?

Cause if there's no protection, support for the "other" less common IDs are undoubtedly going to the "not supported at this time" low priority task graveyard of any growth hacking dynamic company.

I've had no end of issues before I got an actual US drivers license, which took ~6 months to get after I moved here (DMV appointment waiting times, processing time incl. DHS verification etc.).

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by GoOnThenDoTell »

Dalewyn wrote: post #74
GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I said in my other reply, its too expensive. Are you going to pay for it on their behalf? Additionally, how are you going to handle undocumented persons.

$130 is not "too expensive", especially when it's a one-time expense every 10 years. What level of destitute do you have to be for that to be expensive? As for illegal aliens, they are illegal. They shouldn't be getting IDs issued by the government in the first place, be it state or federal, and should be deported as they are found.

Perhaps you could be deported from HN

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by dkqmduems »

paroneayea wrote: post #145
JasonFruit wrote: post #126

I agree with the premise of this bill — that social media are harmful to young people — but disagree with the conclusion that therefore there must be a law. There are lots of things that can be harmful to children, like television, busy streets, caffeinated sugary sodas, and weight training, and we trust parents and other adults to guide children through those dangers, teaching them wise self-restraint along the way.…

I also can't believe how many other comments (not yours) in the comments on this post are like "this is a good idea" and "we should consider this" and etc. I'm amazed. Most of the people on here responding as such are, I'm guessing, are people from my generation: "millenials" who grew up natively on the internet, probably even hung out on Slashdot and etc when that was big. Slashdot had a lot of problems (so does thi…

Nevermind the Sisyphean nature of these sorts of laws.

What rights specifically do you have mind?

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by LegionMammal978 »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #20

What is a social media site defined as? In California, the definition includes any online forum and majority of sites allowing user-submitted content. (Granted, California has a minimum revenue requirement.) Under a similar definition, this block anyone under 18 from having any accounts on the vast majority of popular sites. Also, if you squint at it, this could equally apply to any video game company allowing commun…

From earlier in that chapter [0]:

> (1) "Social media platform" means an Internet website or application that is open to the public, allows a user to create an account, and enables users to communicate with other users for the primary purpose of posting information, comments, messages, or images. The term does not include:

>> (A) an Internet service provider as defined by Section 324.055;

>> (B) electronic mail; or

>> (C) an online service, application, or website:

>>> (i) that consists primarily of news, sports, entertainment, or other information or content that is not user generated but is preselected by the provider; and

>>> (ii) for which any chat, comments, or interactive functionality is incidental to, directly related to, or dependent on the provision of the content described by Subparagraph (i).

> (2) "User" means a person who posts, uploads, transmits, shares, or otherwise publishes or receives content through a social media platform. The term includes a person who has a social media platform account that the social media platform has disabled or locked.

[0] https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BC/htm/BC.120.htm

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by edgyquant »

chriscross wrote: post #141
JasonFruit wrote: post #126

I agree with the premise of this bill — that social media are harmful to young people — but disagree with the conclusion that therefore there must be a law. There are lots of things that can be harmful to children, like television, busy streets, caffeinated sugary sodas, and weight training, and we trust parents and other adults to guide children through those dangers, teaching them wise self-restraint along the way.…

I agree with you except that weight training/exercise has not only been shown to be safe, but also healthy in kids with normal health and development. There are extremes for sure, but the old adage that weight lifting will hurt you if you’re too young hasn’t held up to current research on the topic.

Proper weight training won’t hurt. But I got (and a lot of kids into sports/athletics get) hernia(s) because teenage hormones and physical reality are often at odds.

Re: Bill to ban social media for Texans under 18

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Post by tedunangst »

pmdulaney wrote: post #148
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So no social media for anyone with a condition that prevents them from driving, or anyone whose licence was seized for driving offences.

Does Texas not also issue ID cards, in addition to driver licenses, for those who need an ID but cannot or do not drive?

They do, but the social media law specifies drivers license, not "photo ID".
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