DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving. • Hacker News Board

Re: DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving.

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Post by marshray » Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 6:09 AM UTC

MaxGabriel wrote: post #8

marshray wrote: post #7

Am I the only one who finds the symbol of the clenched fist to be a real turn-off for any feeling of support for these kinds of sites?

Why so? It is a common symbol for groups fighting for civil liberties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_fist

I guess because when I was coming up, the sign of the clenched fist was being used primarily by Marxist revolutionaries and race nationalists. It was not a sign of civil liberties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_liberties in the general sense, more a sign of unified struggle.

Adopting the "worker's revolution" symbolism also seems to downplay the strengths in many cases. Groups like Anonymous or the readership of HN are far from being mobs armed with farm implements, they're the techno-elite.

Personally, I think a better sign might be the extended middle finger. :-)

Re: DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving.

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Post by marshray » Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 6:10 AM UTC

scrod wrote: post #9

marshray wrote: post #7

Am I the only one who finds the symbol of the clenched fist to be a real turn-off for any feeling of support for these kinds of sites?

Yes, you are. The fist symbolizes strength through solidarity and partnership, which is the only strategy that most Americans have for confronting consolidated corporate power.

I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks.

Re: DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving.

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Post by scrod » Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 7:07 AM UTC

marshray wrote: post #12

scrod wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you are. The fist symbolizes strength through solidarity and partnership, which is the only strategy that most Americans have for confronting consolidated corporate power.

I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks.

>I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks.

Cool, thanks for that incredibly insightful observation, marshray.

The best part about your original question is that it can be answered provably in only one way — the one you want. So given your patronizing tone and thinly veiled elitism, I'll happily take the side of the argument that you would force me to prove through induction, for the simple satisfaction of calling you out.

Re: DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving.

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 8:35 AM UTC

scrod wrote: post #13

marshray wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks.

>I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks. Cool, thanks for that incredibly insightful observation, marshray. The best part about your original question is that it can be answered provably in only one way — the one you want. So given your patronizing tone and thinly veiled elitism, I'll happily take the side of the argument that you would force me to prove through induction, for the sim…

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Re: DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving.

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Post by pferde » Mon, Dec 26, 2011, 1:53 PM UTC

sakai wrote: post #10

Thank you for this -- an accessible presentation of the most important facts and numbers on a contemporary, quickly moving issue. We could use more of this from journalistic outlets as well (albeit without the editorializing). And the 'What the Internet could look like...' scroll down is simple yet truly elegant. Bravo.

Too bad the majority of the internet users only care about one model:

(me)-----------(facebook)

Re: DefendTheInter.net: An illustrated guide on why the Internet needs saving.

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Post by marshray » Tue, Dec 27, 2011, 2:11 AM UTC

scrod wrote: post #13

marshray wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks.

>I suspect you don't actually know what everyone else on the site thinks. Cool, thanks for that incredibly insightful observation, marshray. The best part about your original question is that it can be answered provably in only one way — the one you want. So given your patronizing tone and thinly veiled elitism, I'll happily take the side of the argument that you would force me to prove through induction, for the sim…

The best part about your original question is that it can be answered provably in only one way

That did occur to me after I had asked the question, but I decided that there was still a sufficient spectrum of possible answers that I should keep the wording. For example:

"No you're not, I feel that way too."

"I used to feel that way too, but then it occurred to me... [useful discussion follows]"

"Who knows? But I think you're mistaken because... [useful discussion follows]"

No answers, in which case the number of votes on the question could be significant.

So given your patronizing tone and thinly veiled elitism, I'll happily take the side of the argument that you would force me to prove through induction, for the simple satisfaction of calling you out.

Um, you're welcome?